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mad men: "seven twenty three."


Yes, I'm aware I'm starting the thread for this week's episode and I have yet to comment on last week's. Whatever. It was an insane week. I'll try and catch up with my commentary this week. Last week was beyond good. 

Season 3, Episode 7: Seven Twenty Three
Betty becomes involved in local politics; a troubling incident leads Don to begin thinking about his future; and Peggy is on the receiving end of an exquisite gift.

Hmmm....   Grab your martini and relax. Remember to track the conversation as some folks post later in the week. Or when they eventually get around to viewing/commenting.



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gatsbyfan
Sep. 28th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
Oh, Peggy. Really? I understand she was upset as a result of Don lashing out at her but sleeping with Duck. That's just disappointing.

That teacher is crazy. I hope to god Don stays away from her because no good can come from that.

Loved the comment from Cooper about Conrad Hilton being a bit of an eccentric. Ha!Takes one to know one.

Great power move at the end of the episode from Cooper. He held the one card that could force Don to sign the contract... he knows the truth.
marymary
Sep. 29th, 2009 12:58 am (UTC)
Here's where I get help for my plot impairment.

1. Didn't Don meet Connie at Roger's party? If so, then how is everyone baffled that they met?

2. I have apparently completely forgotten what the bad blood is between Roger and Don. Seriously, I feel so stupid, because it's obviously a big deal. What was it?

Yeah, the teacher might not have completely ruined her chances with Don, but she came pretty close. Assuming he's coming on to her? Saying he's the same as everyone else? Not good. But I really liked the device they used to get Don and Miss Farrell "alone." The shot of everyone with their heads inside boxes was very cool.

Random thing: The note that the couple left Don in the hotel room said "Your welcome." That's number three on my list of most infuriating modern-day writing errors.

Yes, gatz, the comment from Cooper about being eccentric was priceless.

I loved Don's line, "Maybe I was at home with my family, reading the bible." Ha. That's exactly what I would have said. :-)
marymary
Sep. 29th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
I guess I'm...I'm surprised that Peggy slept with Duck (at least I was surprised until somewhere around the phone call about the scarf). But it also makes sense to me as something Peggy would do.

I mean, she started working at Sterling Cooper and seemed to be this very reserved, timid, by-the-book girl. Then she immediately slept with Pete. Then she slept with him again. Since then, she's picked up a guy in a bar and slept with him. Now Duck.

I don't know whether that's her libido or some sort of mis-channelled ambition, but sleeping with men is certainly something she likes and does. I don't know that sleeping with Duck is any stupider than sleeping with Pete. Pete was in her office, engaged, and a slimy toad. Duck is single, presently working elsewhere, and merely flawed. You could argue that both Pete and Duck could get her somewhere, professionally. (Duck seems more like a quid pro quo/sex-for-advancement thing, so that's icky. But she already had the job, so it's obviously not just that.)

Outside the bedroom, she's also proven that she's capable of doing some pretty striking things. On the positive side, she became SC's first female copywriter, and has an office, asked for a raise, etc. On the negative, she carried a baby for nine months, seemed not to know she was pregnant, delivered, gave the baby to her sister, and seems to have no relationsihp with him.

So I guess my main reaction is that sleeping with Duck falls somewhere in the middle of what I expect from her.
gatsbyfan
Sep. 29th, 2009 01:43 am (UTC)
Didn't Don meet Connie at Roger's party? If so, then how is everyone baffled that they met?
Yes, but no one saw Connie at the party. Connie was aattending another party (wedding?). Don never bothered to tell the others that he met Connie at the club. (I think Don's trying to forget the night that Roger appeared in black face and Jane couldn't handle her drink.)

I have apparently completely forgotten what the bad blood is between Roger and Don.
I believe it all stems from Jane. Don was very upset that Roger would leave his wife, Mona and get a divorce. Affairs are fine but you just don't divorce and marry someone young enough to be your child. Plus, to find out it was Don's idiot secretary that had initially tried to put the moves on him probably didn't help. Don sees the whole thing as an embarrassment. That's my take.

"Your welcome." That's number three on my list of most infuriating modern-day writing errors.
I agree. I try and double-check that when I'm writing because it is so easy to do when you are typing fast. But honestly, it seemed to fit those two. Good grammar wouldn't be high on the list when you are drugging someone, stealing his money and probably having sex in his room.

"Maybe I was at home with my family, reading the bible."
Loved that line... and the look on Don face when he said it.

gatsbyfan
Sep. 29th, 2009 01:53 am (UTC)
But it also makes sense to me as something Peggy would do.
Yes, but I really think she slept with him more as a reaction to being taken to task by her mentor. Don ripped into her because he was frustrated and she was unfortunately at the wrong place at the wrong time. I think that really threw her. She's frustrated in her job and her mentor basically tells her she should be happy with what she has. And here is Duck wooing her, telling her she's smart.

What I want to know is if Duck planned that or if it just happened. Because as we have learned in the past Duck usually has an ulterior motive.
marymary
Sep. 29th, 2009 03:00 am (UTC)
Right, I'm still not sure we disagree, gatz.

IMO, there are two reasons Peggy is sleeping with someone: either because she simply wants to have sex, or as part of some kind of...pathology. We've talked about what that might be..."I think this is what big fancy career men and women do" or a reaction to something she thinks she's lacking or whatever...

I think you're saying she had sex with Duck in reaction to what Don said and because Duck is giving her something she wants. I think you're probably right.

Moreover, I'm saying we've seen her do that before. MAYBE she just has a healthy sex drive, but it's probably more than that. When she slept with Pete...that wasn't exactly sensible. Either she just wanted to feel desirable or she felt like she didn't fit in and wanted to feel connected to the movers and shakers in the office or something. I certainly don't think it was becuase she was in love with Pete or even wanted a relationship with him. Same with the guy she picked up in the bar...she seemed to be acting out.

So yeah, it's disappointing. It's just that, in my mind, it was pretty consistent with what we've seen from her before.

I'd be happier to see evidence that she was just wanting to have sex -- that would be simpler and healthier.
marymary
Sep. 29th, 2009 03:02 am (UTC)
What I want to know is if Duck planned that or if it just happened. Because as we have learned in the past Duck usually has an ulterior motive.

Oops, forgot this part. Yeah, he definitely wanted to get her over to the hotel. And it was a hotel. So it seems like the thought had certainly crossed his mind. I wonder whether he's unscrupulous enough to try to use it against her.
amycurl
Sep. 29th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
So yeah, it's disappointing. It's just that, in my mind, it was pretty consistent with what we've seen from her before.

I'd be happier to see evidence that she was just wanting to have sex -- that would be simpler and healthier.


Yeah, I don't think we've seen a whole lot of evidence that she's that in touch with her sexuality as something of intrinsic value. We've almost always seen it as something that she uses--to connect, to feel better about other things in her life. To me, this is why she was so disconnected to the pregnancy. Peggy's just not that connected to her body in general, at least in the whole sense of the term. This is probably coming off as half-a-thing, but I hope that I'm at least getting my jist across.

I knew Don had been rolled as soon as I saw him on the floor in the "coming attractions" at the end of the previous episode. I assumed, though, that it was by a woman--the random robbery did take me by surprise. (and just how *weird* was that whole thing, anyway? Like he dreamed it or something...)

But I loved Cooper's recognition of how binding could a contract be that's signed by a fictional person. And as we've seen, Don can pretty much end up on his feet whenever he wants to. But it also, I think, takes Don by surprise how tied down he has already become.

(It's too late and I've got too much other stuff on my mind to be that coherent. I sorry. Thank you for your time and attention.)

Edited because I do know the difference between Don and Roger, even this late at night.

Edited at 2009-09-29 03:15 am (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Sep. 29th, 2009 04:41 pm (UTC)
If it's possible for Peggy to be simultaneously ambitious and have low self-esteem, and I would suggest that it is, I believe Peggy sleeping with Duck is about her being shocked and flattered that Duck wants her. Even if she is aware that he has an ulterior motive; I'm not sure that she does.

As with Pete, Duck shocks her with his interest in her sexually. As with Pete, Duck's pass-making happens on a day when she's been rejected by Don.

In some ways, she's the same person we saw in the pilot. The alpha male in her life has turned her away. So, in both instances, a lesser man has come along and her made her feel worthy.
tomfoolery815
Sep. 29th, 2009 04:52 pm (UTC)
"Your welcome" drives me insane too, Mary. But as Gatz said, it's surely deliberate by the episode writer(s), a reflection of the girl's lack of education.

How wild to see someone make Don nervous, eh?

I love the symmetry of Connie sitting in Don's chair at the start of the episode and Cooper sitting in it at the end of it. I can imagine Connie does that to everybody, just to assert himself. I don't imagine that Cooper does it much. Only when he absolutely needs to mark his territory.

As you guys have already pointed out, what a fantastic moment with Cooper: "Would you say I know something about you, Don?" It didn't matter to Cooper when Pete brought it to him, ("Mr. Campbell, who cares?" God, I love that moment) but obviously Cooper filed it away in his head for a day when he might need it.

Well done by Betty, too. "You're right. Why would I think that has anything to do with me? It's 3 years, Don. What's the matter; you don't know where you're going to be in 3 years?"
tomfoolery815
Sep. 29th, 2009 05:01 pm (UTC)
-- The choice of music is always so well-thought-out. At the end of this one? "Sixteen Tons," by Tennessee Ernie Ford. "I owe my soul to the company store."

-- I know less than zero about interior decorating, but even I know you don't put furniture directly in front of the fireplace, facing away from it. I don't think we've seen the last of Mr. Francis.

-- "Young people give us energy. Don't forget that," Connie tells Don. So Don picks up a couple of hitchhikers. Apparently Don thought reds are stimulants.

-- I, too, loved Cooper calling Connie eccentric. Hello, Pot? This is the Kettle. But, once again, Roger wins the Best Line of the Episode Silver Quip medallion: " ... we could put your name out front. After mine. And Cooper, probably."
tomfoolery815
Sep. 29th, 2009 05:09 pm (UTC)
Not that I'm at all surprised at such attention to detail from this show, but I absolutely love the shot when Don looks up at the eclipse and you can see it reflected in his sunglasses.

I have apparently completely forgotten what the bad blood is between Roger and Don.
I believe it all stems from Jane.

I agree, mostly. It's mostly about Jane, but I think it's also lingering anger over Roger making a pass at Betty at Chez Draper in Season 1. Roger trying to use Betty to get Don to sign pushes that same button for Don, IMO. Especially the part about appealing to Betty when Don's not around.
amycurl
Sep. 29th, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC)
I love the symmetry of Connie sitting in Don's chair at the start of the episode and Cooper sitting in it at the end of it.
Have we ever seen anyone but Don sitting in Don's chair? I liked the symmetry, too, and how it speaks to how Don's power shifts through the course of the episode.

It's similar to the imagery in the teaser as well--all of them lying down, and all of them doing so for different reasons.

Roger trying to use Betty to get Don to sign pushes that same button for Don, IMO.
One thing I loved about that is that Betty *knew* it would piss Don off royally, yet she still can't help but ensure that it's effective. That was a total dick move by Roger, and, combined with the embarrassment of how Roger treated his wife (who, remember, came sprinting to him after his heart attack) was the last straw.

It's like the last thing he feels he can ask for to save his dignity: "Okay, I'll sign it, but I never want to have to speak to Roger again." Which is kind of sad, because I always liked their repartee. :(
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