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mad men: souvenir


These weeks are flying by way to quickly... How are we already on week 8?

Episode 8: Souvenir
Don decides to include Betty on a company business trip. Pete lends a hand to a neighbor in his apartment building.

Grab your martini and come and chat about the episode.

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marymary
Oct. 5th, 2009 04:15 am (UTC)
I'm pathetic. The fact that I'm the first one in to THREE TV posts in a row makes me feel marginally better about how I'm managing my life lately. Don't want to examine further; too tired.

Anyway...Betty, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK is your problem? That was the best business trip in the history of business trips. When Don is cheating on you and acting like he doesn't care about your feelings, then by all means, give him the Antarctica of cold shoulders. But when he's all about you, then step UP! There was this guy called Skinner and he found out that when he wanted more hot sex and jewelry from his dogs, he had to give them at least the promise of something positive.

Points for the Sally handling, but girl...

Edited at 2009-10-05 04:16 am (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Oct. 5th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
I love that I have a friend who can reference Kanye West and B.F. Skinner in a single post about a TV show. :-)

I enjoy talking with you guys about our favorite shows almost as much as I enjoy the shows themselves.
marymary
Oct. 5th, 2009 04:26 am (UTC)
My favorite line:

Pete: "Let me speak to the manager."
Sales Lady: "Of the entire store?"
Pete: "Of the Republic of Dresses. Whoever can help me with this, because you're falling short."

I really like how Joan was sorta sniffing around the Pete scandal but she was so nonplussed by getting caught working that she didn't really even think about it. Her very slightly downcast eyes and that very last gesture of hers said it all. It's moments like that that I'm in awe of Christina Hendricks and this show.

I'm even more stupid than your average German au pair, cause I really thought Pete was being nice! Duh. Although I think it's possible, Pete being Pete, that HE thought he was being nice. Until he realized he wanted something and then got drunk. Ugh. And that neighbor was pretty slimy.

Interesting that Pete couldn't just move on, he was feeling guilty and couldn't act like nothing had happened. He and his wife are a good pair, in a messed up sort of way.
gatsbyfan
Oct. 5th, 2009 01:31 pm (UTC)
.Betty, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK is your problem?
THANK GOD you said that because if you were feeling sympathetic or something for her this week we would have had words.

Episodes like this one make it very hard for me to like Betty. Don is finally being a good husband and father and she's still not happy.
gatsbyfan
Oct. 5th, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
"Of the Republic of Dresses. Whoever can help me with this, because you're falling short."
That was one of my favorite lines. And what a shock to see Joan working in the department store. I love how she holds it together and helps Pete and looks down only when Pete walks away.

How awkward must that have been. I think Pete's "How have you been" comment over and over again shows that he was startled to see her there too.

The thing about Pete is just when you think he can be a decent guy he does something so awful. And I agree, Mary that neighbor was completely slimy.
marymary
Oct. 5th, 2009 01:55 pm (UTC)
THANK GOD you said that because if you were feeling sympathetic or something for her this week we would have had words.

Ha. "Or something" is usually more like it. I feel like I understand her sometimes. This is not one of those times.

I guess I just wish I could figure out what's going on. Normally, MM's lack of exposition is something I like, but sometimes (for me) it gets in the way. (Like last week...I'm still not sure I get why Don wants to end his long friendship with Roger.)

Is she still angry at Don over old (as far as she knows) issues? Is she angry at herself about letting whatshisname kiss her and redirecting it at Don? She might actually be frustrated with her life and Rome just made that clear...but why lash out at Don? She's not taking it out on Sally, so it seems to be about Don. He is supportive about her Junior League thing, asks her to go to Rome, totally focused on her in Rome, and generous when they get back. Bastard. IDK, I just don't get it.
tomfoolery815
Oct. 5th, 2009 06:33 pm (UTC)
.Betty, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK is your problem?
THANK GOD you said that because if you were feeling sympathetic or something for her this week we would have had words.

I knew that there were five posts here already, and you two are usually in here first, having Sunday nights off and all. So when I finished watching just now, and saw that, I thought "Boy, I hope Mary and Gatzy can explain that ending to me." I'll settle for a shared reaction. :-)

Yes, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Betty? Your guilty feelings over kissing Henry are somehow Don's fault? Especially after "the best business trip in the history of business trips," as Mary so rightly put it. Don managed to make that business trip nearly all about Betty, and this is the thanks he gets.

Also, it was such a jolt coming on the heels of her actually parenting Sally well. For once.

He is supportive about her Junior League thing, asks her to go to Rome, totally focused on her in Rome, and generous when they get back. Bastard.
Exactly. Not that this would excuse future philandering by Don, but Betty seems to realize he's not got a great track record for keeping his pants on. Spitting on loving behavior by him is baffling. It's little wonder that he had Connie ship the bauble; he probably thought it was a magical trip for both of them.

(But, if I may wade in the shallow end for a sec: OhmyGod is January Jones hot. She was wearin' those clothes.)
tomfoolery815
Oct. 5th, 2009 06:52 pm (UTC)
I'm even more stupid than your average German au pair, cause I really thought Pete was being nice! Duh. Although I think it's possible, Pete being Pete, that HE thought he was being nice. Until he realized he wanted something and then got drunk. Ugh.
Not just you. I was sitting there thinking "Pete altruistic! Never thought those words would be in the same sentence." Then Pete reminded us who he is. It sounds as though we were all hoping it was altruism on Pete's part.

And that neighbor was pretty slimy.
It would appear that it took another man saying "Dude! Be more discreet about where you get some on the side" to finally make him feel guilty about serially cheating on Trudy. Because he's never shown a hint of guilty feeling in his after-the-fact conversations with Peggy. He was more interested in making Peggy feel bad for burdening him with the knowledge of her giving away their baby.

He and his wife are a good pair, in a messed up sort of way.
They're the least dysfunctional couple on the show, aren't they? The pair that actually ... well, if they don't completely fix things, they come to understandings, and seem to not reverse progress made. That's more than we can say for any of the other couples.

I apologize for the edit. I will try to proof more carefully.

Edited at 2009-10-05 07:01 pm (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Oct. 5th, 2009 07:00 pm (UTC)
I loved the Republic of Dresses line, too.

I think Pete's "How have you been" comment over and over again shows that he was startled to see her there too.
Definitely, Gatzy. Joan's always fitting the narrative everyone writes for her in their heads, that she's written for herself. So Pete never thought for a second that things were anything other than how she'd described them.

I like that even though Pete is willing to pay for the dress, she's committed to remaining Sterling Cooper Joan in Pete's mind. So she makes "his problem" disappear without a trace.

I really like how Joan was sorta sniffing around the Pete scandal but she was so nonplussed by getting caught working that she didn't really even think about it. Her very slightly downcast eyes and that very last gesture of hers said it all. It's moments like that that I'm in awe of Christina Hendricks and this show.
Word, Mary. She conveyed so much with the slightest of movements. CH rocks.
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