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mad men: the color blue

Another week, another new episode.

Season 3, Episode 10: The Color Blue
The firm celebrates a milestone.  Peggy and Paul compete on an account.

Grab the beverage of your choice, and come and chat about one of the best shows on television.

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tuesday_suit
Oct. 19th, 2009 12:27 am (UTC)
Hi Gatz.

I don't watch MM so I wouldn't be much use to your discussion, but I wanted to drop by and link to this article from today's NY Times.

Back to your regularly scheduled program. :-)
marymary
Oct. 19th, 2009 04:11 am (UTC)
Holy moly I'm not late again.

I thought it was very MM to have Betty plan to confront Don, wait up, then lock everything away and bide her time.

I loved Paul's revelation about Peggy. That was probably my favorite moment of the episode. Also, he reminds me of Orson Welles.
tomfoolery815
Oct. 19th, 2009 05:12 pm (UTC)
I thought it was very MM to have Betty plan to confront Don, wait up, then lock everything away and bide her time.
Absolutely, Mary. Much more "It's not TV. It's Mad Men" of them to play it that way.

I also love that it's the other secret -- THE secret, in comparison -- Don's been keeping from her that has Betty beside herself. Completely understandably beside herself, of course.

I loved Paul's revelation about Peggy. That was probably my favorite moment of the episode.
Do you mean the part about being Don's favorite and using Aqua Net? I loved that part.

Her reaction was even better: "Are you nuts? He hates me." That has to have been what she was thinking when she decided to have sex with Duck. ;-)

Also, he reminds me of Orson Welles.
You're not alone. :-)
marymary
Oct. 23rd, 2009 03:42 pm (UTC)
I loved Paul's revelation about Peggy. That was probably my favorite moment of the episode.
Do you mean the part about being Don's favorite and using Aqua Net? I loved that part.


No, I meant at the end of the episode, when they're in Don's office. Paul had been really frustrated over Peggy and now he'd lost his big idea...first Peggy offered sympathy, then she wisely suggested that Paul tell Don the truth, which got him off the hook. Then she spun Paul's comment into a great idea for the campaign. Paul gives her this look of profound revelation at the end of that scene --- he seems to realize how great Peggy really is.
tomfoolery815
Oct. 23rd, 2009 10:50 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, that one. He finally realized it's not those things he petulantly listed in the earlier scene. He realized that Peggy is really good at this.
tomfoolery815
Oct. 19th, 2009 05:21 pm (UTC)
So what is it that makes Don serially unfaithful? It can't be that Betty's not attractive enough. I'd say that, based on the scenes from Rome, the sex is good to great.

Do you suppose it's because of how cold Betty is the rest of the time, a lack of intimacy? When Miss Farrell said she didn't want to have sex (after Don didn't take her brother to Bedford), Don was content to hold her. That moment reminded me of the emotional intimacy he had with Anna, and with Rachel Menken before that.

He even had it with Bobbie to a degree; they lingered at least a little bit at the intersection of physical intimacy and emotional intimacy ... before making a U-turn down the road that brought them there.

What do you guys think?
marymary
Oct. 23rd, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, it's probably some combination of all the classic things. He can be whomever he wants to be with those other women, without repercussions. He can leave them whenever he wants. They see him in a different way than Betty does. Betty's mostly disappointed in him, but the other women see him as hot and powerful and mysterious or whatever. They definitely "want" him more, Rome excepted. All that normal cheaty stuff.

It's like they say...it's not who the other person is but who YOU are in their eyes.

Although having said all that, I actually don't blame Betty's coldness for Don's cheating. If she were more adoring and relaxed, I'm sure he'd like that and it would help.

But I think it's bigger than that and it's 80% Don. I think Don's looking for a version of himself that he can live with and he uses the women to do that. Betty provides part of it, but the way the other women relate to him completes the picture. Betty helps him be important and stable and responsible and established. The other women help him feel sexy, open, powerful and free. He obviously can't do that for himself.
tomfoolery815
Oct. 23rd, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
I think Don's looking for a version of himself that he can live with and he uses the women to do that. Betty provides part of it, but the way the other women relate to him completes the picture. Betty helps him be important and stable and responsible and established. The other women help him feel sexy, open, powerful and free. He obviously can't do that for himself.
Sounds about right. Those are all excellent points.
edgeriffic
Oct. 20th, 2009 02:44 am (UTC)
I also love that it's the other secret -- THE secret, in comparison -- Don's been keeping from her that has Betty beside herself. Completely understandably beside herself, of course.

You've lost me. There are so many secrets--I need you to clarify how you're ranking them!

I'm asking because I'm not convinced she completely absorbed the significance of the stolen identity evidence. She sort of tossed aside the photos of Dick Whitman, didn't linger much on the 2 sets of dog tags, and really stayed on the divorce decree. Anyone else think it's possible she's not getting the whole of the secret, or at least didn't right away? I think she was so shocked by the divorce decree, which is the easiest thing to understand and would in a way have the most impact on her, betrayal-wise, that she may not have put together the whole picture yet.

Not sure why it matters, or how it might play out if I'm right---but I add it to the coolness of MM. Because as soon as he left the key in the pocket I was going crazy that she was finally going to know all--and yet they've left me wondering,does she really know all? We know all, but because of flashbacks. Even Pete wasn't sure of it all from what he saw--didn't he say to Bertram something like "we know at the least he's not who he says he is?"

(Note that I haven't gone back to re-watch yet so I may be to refuting my own point after doing so....)
tomfoolery815
Oct. 20th, 2009 03:58 am (UTC)
You've lost me. There are so many secrets--I need you to clarify how you're ranking them!
I suppose I was rolling everything Dick/Don had done -- from the time he switched dog tags with the real Draper until he granted Anna a divorce -- into one big lie ball, Edgers. :-)

Anyone else think it's possible she's not getting the whole of the secret, or at least didn't right away?
It's certainly possible. But, at minimum, she knows that Don has lived some kind of double life, about which he has told her nothing. The divorce alone, given the times, is justification for her anger.
marymary
Oct. 23rd, 2009 03:47 pm (UTC)
Anyone else think it's possible she's not getting the whole of the secret, or at least didn't right away?

I absolutely agree, edgy. I don't think she understood the identity stuff. I was waiting for her to turn over that one picture of Don as a young man (where it was clear who he was) to see "Dick" on the back, but that didn't happen.

Because as soon as he left the key in the pocket I was going crazy that she was finally going to know all--

Ha, I didn't notice him leaving the keys in his pocket, but as soon as she started to do the laundry, they were jingling and driving me nuts. She didn't notice sorting the clothes, didn't notice putting them in the dryer. Not until she took the clothes out did she find them.
marymary
Oct. 23rd, 2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
Plus, think about it...if you found some confusing photos and a set of your husband's dogtags and those of another man (whom she might know as the guy who was serving with Don and who died just before Don came home) you wouldn't leap to "Oh, he must be a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON." The divorce stuff is easy to understand. And, not for nothin, it has "Don Draper" on it. So it doesn't even support the identity fraud evidence.
edgeriffic
Oct. 25th, 2009 01:50 am (UTC)
Yes, this is exactly my point--WE have all the pieces, SHE doesn't. And without the framework of what we already know, it would indeed be hard to make sense of all that's there, especially once she gets to the divorce papers.

I admire it as a piece of storytelling, and am intrigued by how it will all play out.

I got the sense during that final shot that she is thinking, thinking, thinking----partly about what to do, when and how to confront him, etc. But mostly I feel like I could practically hear her thinking "Who IS this guy? (that I happen to be married to and have three children with...)"

(Oh and btw,I was watching ep 1-2 of Life to day and suddenly realized that Olivia is CH! I didn't start watching MM until this summer so didn't make connection though of course CH did look familiar when I did start watching MM....)
marymary
Oct. 25th, 2009 02:38 am (UTC)
Hee, that's funny. I knew her from Firefly, so it was very exciting when she got MM and Life at the same time!

Speaking of casting, I just discovered that I watched an entire episode of Grey's, featuring a new doc called April, without realizing she's played by the same actress that plays Kitty, Saul's wife!
edgeriffic
Oct. 25th, 2009 11:30 pm (UTC)
And, Pete's wife is in Community.

Better casting through Mad Men!
tomfoolery815
Oct. 25th, 2009 11:48 pm (UTC)
I like her Community character (and her MM character). She had a great moment in the episode when she was prodding Chevy Chase's character to come up with a song.
flippet
Oct. 27th, 2009 11:08 pm (UTC)
Don't forget Anne Dudek (Francine) was in House.

Better casting through Mad Men!

Absolutely! :-)
tomfoolery815
Oct. 21st, 2009 04:21 am (UTC)
Pretend you're not listening. I'm just gonna stand here
and talk cause I know you are. ;-)

-- I really liked Miss Farrell's brother. I found him to be a compelling character. Full credit to the actor.

-- Loved the scene where Pryce persuades Cooper to attend the anniversary fete. Robert Morse was terrific in it.

"I wouldn't have told Roger if I'd planned on making it a secret."

"You really pour the honey on ... then you lick it off." (I presume that's a reaction to Pryce's phrase "fruits of your longevity.")

But the final exchange, with the conclusion Bert immediately jumps to, is what makes it Mad Men.

Pryce: ... your absence will make everyone think you're ill.
Cooper: Who told you I was vain?
Pryce: Please. It's obvious.
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