?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

mad men: "shut the door. have a seat"


And then there was 1.  I really cannot get over the brillance of last week's episode. Truly.  And it makes me sad that we're already at the final episode of the season.

Season 3, Episode 13: "Shut the Door. Have a Seat"
Don has an important meeting with Connie. Betty receives some advice. Pete talks to his clients.

Remember to track.

(I'll try to chine in tomorrow. I'm still battling a bad cold and I need to start packing for my trip.)

Comments

( 15 comments — Leave a comment )
gatsbyfan
Nov. 9th, 2009 04:48 am (UTC)
I honestly don't know where to begin. I loved this episode.

Couple of thoughts for now:
Loved Peggy telling Don no. He just assumed she'd come along and good for her for making him actually ask. I loved the moment when she said you'll never speak to me and he replied, I'll try and hire you...

Loved Don kicking in the door to the art department. The fangirl in me couldn't have wanted him any more at that moment

LOVE that Roger called Joan back. Of course Joan would be able to organize everything and know exactly what to do.

Loved when Peggy refused to get Roger coffee.

How priceless was that image of all of them in the hotel room? And better yet, Don actually typing?

More tomorrow.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 9th, 2009 06:06 pm (UTC)
I honestly don't know where to begin.
Oh, I do.

"Joan. What a good idea."

I smiled broadly when Roger said "Let me make a phone call." I'm sure we all figured out he was calling Joan. But the way they waited a few scenes, and had her literally making an entrance, like Jed in the TWW pilot or Bill retaking the CIC? That's old school. That's what made it Mad Men.

Loved Don kicking in the door to the art department. The fangirl in me couldn't have wanted him any more at that moment
Hee! I figured as much, Gatzy. For what it's worth, I'm sure that moment made all the men (well, most of us) reignite our man-crush on Don. In a Dick Winters, "I'd follow that man anywhere" way.

How priceless was that image of all of them in the hotel room?
Priceless indeed. I loved this moment in that room: "Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce ... yes, Harry. It's Room 435."

They didn't forget to bring the funny. So many great lines! I'm sure we'll be reciting them all.

I loved this episode.
Me, too. They know how to finish strong, don't they?

Edited at 2009-11-09 06:06 pm (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Nov. 9th, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)
Loved Peggy telling Don no. He just assumed she'd come along and good for her for making him actually ask.
He did. He swung and missed, badly, on the first attempt. The insurrection meeting has just ended and he snaps, through her closed door, for her to come in. Good for her for calling bullshit.

I loved the moment when she said you'll never speak to me and he replied, I'll try and hire you ...
What was great is that Don realized, after his first meeting with Peggy, that they were asking Pete and Peggy to jump off a cliff, to leave something certain and be daring. That would require finesse, and some concessions.

With Pete, it was a little bit about flattery ("No. I wanna hear it from him.") but mostly about acknowledgment that he could bring a distinct skill: "We need you to keep us looking forward." And then, to complete the seduction: "I do, anyway."

With Peggy, he needed to concede that she didn't need them, but that he wanted her. So, before he made his rest-of-his-life pledge, he reminded her of the secret of hers that he's kept: "Something terrible happened. And the way that they saw themselves is gone. And nobody understands that. But you do."

They wanted Harry for his TV acumen and contacts, but they know they could just scare him into going along. So Cooper threatens to lock him in a storeroom all weekend. :-)
marymary
Nov. 10th, 2009 05:01 am (UTC)
Hey, guys!

Yes, great episode. I agree that we knew Joan would come on board. In fact, as soon as Price said they needed staff and they had to be "100% sure" about whomever they invited, I thought of Joan. And also, "Ah, this is how they get her back in the main storyline."

Conversely, it was hilarious that Price said "100% loyal" and the first two people Don goes to are Peggy and Pete. I get why they WANTED those two, but not why they felt they could trust them. Don had very brusquely turned Peggy down for a raise and he knew she was unhappy. Pete had been effectively demoted to serve under Ken. So wtf? Maybe it was just Don and Roger's natural hubris...

But Joan is a sure thing. And oh how I've missed her.
As they're walking out of Sterling Cooper for the last time...
Don: "And Joan, I'm going to need an apartment."
Joan: "Furnished?"
God bless you, Christina Hendricks, how did you figure out that the complete lack of concern or surprise is the absolute fucking KEY to Joan's brilliance in those situations? That moment had me pining for Season 1, when there was a moment like that every episode.

Back to Peggy and Pete. Tom, I think your descriptions get to some of what I saw as the distinction between the two negotiations. Roger and Don talked to Pete about why they valued his professional talents. But with Peggy --- first of all, it was one on one. Secondly, it was about their emotional relationship. On both sides. It wasn't like one of them was trying to keep the conversation about professional merit. BOTH of them were talking like a couple, for god's sake. "You take me for granted." "I'm sorry, I really want you." I think it gets to something accurate about their relationship. And I also hated it. :-)

Loved when Peggy refused to get Roger coffee.

Yeah, gatz, and that was a really good edit too. Just "no" and then IIRC they cut pretty quickly. Nice.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 10th, 2009 05:17 am (UTC)
Don had very brusquely turned Peggy down for a raise and he knew she was unhappy. Pete had been effectively demoted to serve under Ken. So wtf? Maybe it was just Don and Roger's natural hubris...
I think you're right, Mary, re: hubris. Although, they figured out pretty quickly what Pete would need to be brought on board.

Secondly, it was about their emotional relationship. On both sides. It wasn't like one of them was trying to keep the conversation about professional merit. BOTH of them were talking like a couple, for god's sake.
Right again. Peggy made it about their relationship in the scene in Don's office. She was absolutely within her rights to do that; the way a boss treats you is a huge factor, regardless of your gender.

Edited at 2009-11-10 05:25 am (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Nov. 10th, 2009 05:19 am (UTC)
And I also hated it. :-)
Why? *puzzled*

Loved when Peggy refused to get Roger coffee.
Yeah, gatz, and that was a really good edit too. Just "no" and then IIRC they cut pretty quickly. Nice.

It was a great edit. "No." Done. On the next bit of business. :-)

tomfoolery815
Nov. 10th, 2009 05:24 am (UTC)
God bless you, Christina Hendricks, how did you figure out that the complete lack of concern or surprise is the absolute fucking KEY to Joan's brilliance in those situations?
Great observation! I knew, in my reptilian brain stem (or somewhere near there), that that was the essence of Joan. But I don't think I've seen it articulated so well. :-)
marymary
Nov. 10th, 2009 10:39 pm (UTC)
And I also hated it. :-)

Why? *puzzled*


Like I said, I think it was the right choice for the show, for those characters. The emotions between them were more pertinent than Peggy's objective value to the firm, to the extent that that could be determined.

AND it makes a lot of sense in that time and place. Peggy IS the only woman in her role, there's no getting around it. She acts as a woman first, an executive second, if you think about it. Not that she doesn't do a good job, but she simply doesn't behave like the guys do. And the men around her treat her as a woman first, professional second.

So the man/woman gender dynamic, wiht all its implications, was driving the conversation. She was acting a little like a scorned lover and he was acknowledging that. Even to the end of their "negotiation." She said, "You'll never speak to me again." and he said, "I'll spend the rest of my life trying to hire you." Wow, those are very emotion-laden, dramatic words. She's ready to flounce and he's promising to pursue her forever.

If you put that conversation in a modern setting, I'd be really bothered and that's where my discomfort is coming from. As a contemporary woman, I wanted Peggy to come at Don with statistics and accomplishments. I wanted Don to compare her track record with the guys at her level. Instead, she was all "You don't want me. You take me for granted. You think I'll follow you anywhere." Ick.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 10th, 2009 10:44 pm (UTC)
Thanks for elaborating. :-)
tomfoolery815
Nov. 10th, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)
I liked that the desperation of the moment forced Don and Roger to get past their differences. They're much more fun to watch when they're not antagonistic. I think they, too, remembered what a good team they make.

So there they are, at a bar after making their pitch to Pete, and this great moment happens:

ROGER: ... Henry Francis.
DON: Who?
ROGER: Jesus. Right when things were almost normal.

I love that Roger processed immediately the risk in continuing that portion of the conversation. I wonder which was more the case: Don believing Roger when he said he thought Don already knew, or Don realizing that things were so frosty between them that the Bro Code wasn't really in effect. What do you guys think?

It's probably beside the point, since Don was keeping all his anger in reserve for Betty. The depth of his hypocrisy in being outraged at Betty's infidelity ... his indignation would be a lot more interesting to me if it wasn't quite so covered in crap.
marymary
Nov. 10th, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC)
I love that Roger processed immediately the risk in continuing that portion of the conversation.

This is a great catch, Tom. Actually, that's very Roger and it's pretty much the only thing about him that I find attractive. He's very quick, very funny...but (and it's part of the same thing) he's got that thing where he jumps one move ahead and comments on that. And assumes you're along for the ride. Or he states the subtext instead of what he's supposed to say. Honestly that makes me swoony, both watching a character like Roger and IRL. It's very disarming and...shit, I can't find the right word.

Non-example: Miss Farrell did that with Don during that weird field trip. He said something innocuous and she's all, "Oh, so we're doing this now..." But he played dumb so it was all awkward and tense.

But when Roger is with someone he knows, like Joan or Don (espcially Joan, because she can do that too and they're so evenly matched) it's so elegant and funny and sexy and wonderful.

When he's not doing that, he's often just a slimeball. But I like to imagine that John Slattery is like Roger without the slime.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 12th, 2009 09:13 pm (UTC)
He's very quick, very funny...but (and it's part of the same thing) he's got that thing where he jumps one move ahead and comments on that.
Yes, absolutely. Roger was happy to be back on a barstool next to Don, and then he realizes something unpleasant is about to happen.

But when Roger is with someone he knows, like Joan or Don (espcially Joan, because she can do that too and they're so evenly matched) it's so elegant and funny and sexy and wonderful.
It's not Roger at his funniest, but those times with Joan and with Don are Roger at his most endearing.

But I like to imagine that John Slattery is like Roger without the slime.
I don't know if he's quite as sharp without Matthew Weiner writing his lines. :-) He seems like such an actor's actor. It's easy to imagine him being well-liked by everybody.
gatsbyfan
Nov. 24th, 2009 02:20 pm (UTC)
FYI: The Daily Beast posted an interview with Matt Weiner. Part One came out about 2 weeks ago. But part two came out yesterday.

Part One

Part Two
tomfoolery815
Nov. 24th, 2009 07:47 pm (UTC)
Thanks, Gatzy! Part One has been on my must-read list pretty much since they put it up.

Now I'm even further behind ... yeah, thanks a lot, Gatzy. ;-)
gatsbyfan
Nov. 24th, 2009 07:57 pm (UTC)
I'm so behind on my reading its not even funny. By posting it here I don't need to worry about losing the link.

Perhaps Thursday when I am home and recovering from too much food, I'll review.
( 15 comments — Leave a comment )

Latest Month

June 2012
S M T W T F S
     12
3456789
10111213141516
17181920212223
24252627282930
Powered by LiveJournal.com