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Mad Men: A Little Kiss

MY SHOW IS BACK!!! 17 long months and my show is finally back! 

Season 5:
Episode 1-2: A Little Kiss

Pete and Roger butt heads, and Joan clashes with a houseguest.

When it is all over come and discuss one of the best shows on television.

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marymary
Mar. 26th, 2012 03:18 am (UTC)
YAY!

Favorite lines:

"So I suppose this young man is coming home in a bag for nothing."
"If he's lucky. You ever read 'Johnny Got His Gun?' No eyes, no ears, no nose, tapping out his last wishes in Morse code with his deformed head."
"...I thought there were going to be girls here."

Roger: "Why don't you sing like that?"
Jane: "Why don't you look like him?"

Roger: "I tried to get Jane to talk to me in that accent. Nothing doing. She doesn't speak French. She doesn't like me."

Jane to Roger about her baby. "He's been keeping me awake. He needs constant attention."

And my favorite...

On Don getting a song from Megan at the party. "I saw his soul leave his body."
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 03:28 am (UTC)
So happy it's back even if it was an episode that seemed more about setting stuff up.

Favorite lines:
I agree with Mary

Roger: "Why don't you sing like that?"
Jane: "Why don't you look like him?"

Roger: "I tried to get Jane to talk to me in that accent. Nothing doing. She doesn't speak French. She doesn't like me."

I also liked:
Roger: Well, well, well, there’s my baby. Now move that brat out of the way so I can see her?

Roger: Oh look he got you a cane.

Megan: What is wrong with you people? You’re all so cynical you don’t smile you smirk.

And my favorite...
On Don getting a song from Megan at the party. "I saw his soul leave his body."

Mine too. The delivery and the looks between Joan and Pryce. So perfect.




Edited at 2012-03-26 03:29 am (UTC)
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 03:33 am (UTC)
Ooops. Almost forgot this gem from Peggy.

I should not be allowed to drink at work functions or at all, honestly.
marymary
Mar. 26th, 2012 03:46 am (UTC)
Ha, yes, I loved those lines too. The one about "my baby" was priceless.

The "clean up" scene between Megan and Don was a little troubling but also in character for him. Remember how he liked to play little games with Betty?

I think my favorite scene was the one between Joan and Lane. Brilliant and touching. I love how much he appreciates her and how generous he was. You can see why -- her stiff spine, her talent, her skills with money, her composure -- but they never have Lane SAY that stuff -- it's just understood.
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 04:00 am (UTC)


It's not Roger but it still cracks me up.
flippet
Mar. 27th, 2012 04:44 am (UTC)
That is darling.

He is just pinchably cute. :-)
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 04:03 am (UTC)


I wish it focused more on just Roger and his little dance.
tomfoolery815
Mar. 26th, 2012 03:18 pm (UTC)
http://guitarscreams.tumblr.com/post/19953781908/pretty-much-the-best-part-of-mad-men

It took me so long to get video embeds to work here, so I am far too gun-shy in re: GIFs. But here, Gatzy, this is a de facto part 2.

Good Lord, Slattery is perfect at that! How many takes do you suppose it requied?

Edited at 2012-03-26 03:27 pm (UTC)
marymary
Mar. 26th, 2012 04:08 am (UTC)
Those are both great! I hope someone makes one of Lane dancing too. :)
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 04:13 am (UTC)


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gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 04:41 am (UTC)
The "clean up" scene between Megan and Don was a little troubling but also in character for him. Remember how he liked to play little games with Betty?
They don't seem to have the best marriage. I feel like we're seeing Roger and Jane the early years.

But that scene felt like the most "Don" of the bunch. He took what he wanted. In the other scenes its like we are seeing a new person. As Peggy said earlier: I don’t recognize that man. He’s kind and patient.

I liked the storyline between Roger and Pete. Pete is an ass, but he deserves respect as it appears that he continues to be the person responsible for brining in the clients. I loved his little power play by inviting the other partners into his office. Seeing all four of those men crammed on the couch was funny.

The thing about the office that made no sense to me is that Harry had a better office. Pete is a partner and bringing in clients. Harry's an ass (and continues to get worse) and he has the bigger office? This makes no sense to me. But I loved that Roger bribed him to switch offices. Though why the hell was Roger carrying that much cash?!

Oh and Pete sending Roger to Staten Island... loved that.

I think my favorite scene was the one between Joan and Lane. Brilliant and touching. I love how much he appreciates her and how generous he was.
I loved that scene. There's so much respect between those two. She's upset because she feels like she was forgotten and has a mother making her feel less than important. He knows exactly what to say to make her feel better.

I also loved how excited Peggy was to see Joan... giving her a huge hug.

While this wasn't my favorite episode, I feel like it was setting us up for the season. I feel like we're going to see more on changes (Civil Rights, politics in the office, Sally growing up, etc) on the horizon.

flippet
Mar. 27th, 2012 04:42 am (UTC)
The thing about the office that made no sense to me is that Harry had a better office. Pete is a partner and bringing in clients. Harry's an ass (and continues to get worse) and he has the bigger office? This makes no sense to me.


Yes, but Pete is still the little creep that nobody likes (and they like him less *because* he's actually getting it done). It doesn't surprise me that they'd have stuck him in the steam pipe trunk distribution venue if they thought they could at all get away with it. The only part that might not make sense is that Pete hasn't raised an enormous stink until now. I'd have thought he'd have whined upon moving in.


I love that the gun was front and center in the box. (Darn, I know I had that icon once upon a time.)
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 04:48 am (UTC)
Also for the record, I would react the same way as Don to a surprise party.

No.

marymary
Mar. 26th, 2012 01:05 pm (UTC)
You found Lane dancing! That's fantastic.

Also for the record, I would react the same way as Don to a surprise party.

Hah, I know. I loved that moment where Megan told Peggy.

Peggy:"For Don? .....Men don't like surprise parties."

Peggy realized instantly it was a bad idea but I think Megan had already been practicing with the band, so it was going to happen.

I also loved this, about the invite list: "I crossed off all the clients and people he's fired." Partly because it was so right and partly because I literally just had to do that for our company party.

As you know, ITA about Pete. That whole thing didn't make sense to me. I would have preferred Roger saying, "Harry, I don't know how you got a bigger office than Pete, but that's ridiculous. Switch with him. Now."
marymary
Mar. 26th, 2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 02:45 pm (UTC)
I may have downloaded that song last night. And listened to it a couple of times. I CANNOT get it out of my head.
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tomfoolery815
Mar. 26th, 2012 02:46 pm (UTC)
My God, it's such fun to new Mad Men to discuss. Stayed up way too late to watch after I got home. The missed sleep was worth it.

The "clean up" scene between Megan and Don was a little troubling but also in character for him. Remember how he liked to play little games with Betty?
They don't seem to have the best marriage. I feel like we're seeing Roger and Jane the early years.

But that scene felt like the most "Don" of the bunch. He took what he wanted. In the other scenes its like we are seeing a new person

Hmm, I didn't see it that way.

Faye Miller may yet turn out to be right, about Don only liking the beginning of things. Don and Megan are obviously in the "can't keep our hands off each other" phase of the relationship, and that can go away.

But Don seems really happy right now, surprise-party mortification aside. I didn't see it as him taking what he wanted as much as, well, make-up sex. A smooth segue from fighting to f ... ;-)

If it hadn't been something Megan had also wanted, that Don sensed Megan also wanted, they wouldn't have had sex. Don is not Greg Harris, ifyouknowwhatImean.

I like the way Weiner established that Megan has shaken things up at SDCP. Yes, they were gossiping about "Zoo Be Zoo Be Zoo" -- Lane's "soul" description and accompanying dance were wonderful -- and Harry should know better than to talk about Don's wife that way anywhere in the Tri-State Area, much less in the building.

But the significant part for me is that Megan, moreso than knowing she has an immunity badge as Mrs. Draper, also possesses enough dignity and self-respect to call Peggy on her shit. The Peggy/Don friendship aside, Peggy was out of line to bitch about work to her boss, and she was just plain rude to do so at his birthday party. Megan was offended, she was justified in doing so, and she called Peggy on it. (Yes, it was shaded by her disappointment at Don not appreciating her effort.)

To Peggy's credit, she recognized that Megan was right, and that she, too, wants SDCP to be a place where people have enough respect for each other to apologize for mistreatment. To be not quite so cynical with each other.
flippet
Mar. 27th, 2012 04:35 am (UTC)
Faye Miller may yet turn out to be right, about Don only liking the beginning of things.

But they all do - that was a common thread. Quite obvious with Roger and Jane, and with Pete and Trudy...'she never used to leave the house in just a robe' or whatever the line was.

None of them can commit to the whole of it. For better or for worse is just a line. They're so cocky and sure that *they* can weasel out of that little bit. But life holds you to it, buddy. It gets ugly when you're not prepared.
tomfoolery815
Mar. 26th, 2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
ITA about the Lane/Joan scene. Joan's just frazzled enough to think that her mom might be right about the ad; I also love that the joke blew up in Don and Roger's faces as a grand mid-'60s metaphor. And you know how, if you suspect something is going wrong, you can reach the wrong conclusion about everything? (Not that I have any experience with that, you know, at all ...) Well, Joan was doing plenty of that, wasn't she?

Lane may have accidentally told Joan exactly what she needed to hear -- merely stating the obvious that Joan is the glue of SDCP -- but I think not. He appreciates that her high competency is a function of her character; he likes and respects her. Lane is a gentleman in the best sense.
marymary
Mar. 26th, 2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
If it hadn't been something Megan had also wanted, that Don sensed Megan also wanted, they wouldn't have had sex.

Yes, yes, yes. Tom, I think you are right to make the Don/Greg Harris distinction. When I called it "troubling" I didn't mean he was taking advantage of her. As I said, Don likes to play games. When he and Betty were overseas, she was sort of playing like she was a mysterious stranger and he was into it. Here, Megan knows what he likes -- she's playing a role and he takes her up on it. I felt like that sex scene was absolutely orchestrated by Megan.

So it wasn't troubling in the sense that Don was taking advantage of Megan, but that BOTH of them like to get slightly rapey in their fantasies sometimes. :)

I also love that the joke blew up in Don and Roger's faces as a grand mid-'60s metaphor.

Yes! That was brilliant! SDCP positions itself on the right side, vs. Y&R, then their bluff is called and they're revealed to be just about as racist as those water-bombers.

Lane is a gentleman in the best sense.

With a few exceptions. ;)

No One Cares But Me Casting Trivia: it's funny that both Joan's mom and Joan's husband were recurring characters on Desperate Housewives.
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tomfoolery815
Mar. 26th, 2012 03:16 pm (UTC)
(Even though I know you're both on Twitter and may have already seen this) Linda Holmes: "Am imagining going to my boss's house and seeing his wife do a come-hither, half-dressed birthday dance. Am dying of EVERYTHING AT ONCE."

-- I know we're never going to see a lot of physical comedy here, but VK is outstanding at it. Smashing his nose instantly reminded me of Mrs. Blankenship being rolled out. The subsequent timing and delivery of "What, did she hit you?" from Ken killed me dead.

-- Also loved Peggy's "or at all" line.
marymary
Mar. 26th, 2012 05:45 pm (UTC)
Here's an interesting review on Slate: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tv_club/features/2012/mad_men_season_5/week_1/mad_men_season_5_motherhood_undoes_joan_.html

In this, they mention Harry's line about the "cheap post-war walls." Which reminds me of something I noticed: Harry's office is very different from the others. All kinds of older, possibly vintage, possibly antique furniture. When they shifted from his office to Roger's, the contrast was stunning (Roger's being soooo modern). I think it's an interesting character point.

I disagree with their take on Harry's "devolution" though. I think he's always been lead buffoon, hasn't he? Mis-speaking a lot, especially in social settings. He was never as canny as Pete or Ken. Very self-conciously "cool." Very defensive about his place at the agency; he didn't pursue the TV position with confidence and foresight, he kinda whined his way into it. (Correct me if I'm remembering wrong.) Anyway, if someone's going to get caught saying something crude about the boss' wife, I totally see that as Harry.
gatsbyfan
Mar. 26th, 2012 06:52 pm (UTC)
I disagree with their take on Harry's "devolution" though. I think he's always been lead buffoon, hasn't he? Mis-speaking a lot, especially in social settings. He was never as canny as Pete or Ken.
I completely agree. Harry was the guy that flew out of the room during the Kodak pitch. That wasn't exactly good behavior for a pitch meeting. Harry always strikes me as trying too hard to be cool and failing in the process. And your right about him whining his way into the job. It always seemed to me that he took the job not because he saw television as the next big thing but more as a way to save his job.

And I don't buy their argument that he's a closeted gay man. The queer comment sounds aggressive by 2012 terms. I don't think it would have been back in the 1960s.

As to the offices, I noticed it more with Roger's. His office is very mod (and beautiful). Pete's looked older (beam aside).

Interesting that we didn't really see Cooper's. We only saw him in the conference room. Goodman thinks they may be setting up an Alzheimer's storyline for Cooper. sitting alone in the meeting room when no one ever arrived (and then being excluded from the updates) made it seem like there could be an Alzheimer’s-type storyline coming
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