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Mad Med: Far Away Places

Can you believe we are already through half the season?

This week:
Episode 6: Far Away Places

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tomfoolery815
Apr. 23rd, 2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
In some ways, what Don did to Megan is worse than anything he ever did to Betty. Seriously: He was serially unfaithful to Betty, and he kept a massive secret from her. But he never physically abandoned her hundreds of miles from home.

Of course Megan "going there" regarding his mother -- considering what Don has surely told her about either his birth mother or his stepmother -- is not even remotely an acceptable excuse. I'm all but certain we agree on that, but I wanted to get it out there.

Megan went too far because of how pissed she was at Don. He's thrilled that she really likes sex, and he likes giving her things, but he doesn't care too much for what's important to her if it conflicts with what he wants, does he?

Hooray for Bert for calling Don on his shit. Yes, Don, it is Bert's business. It's yours too, remember?

Edited at 2012-04-23 04:46 pm (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Apr. 23rd, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
I'm sure someone online has already established what piece of music came out of the vodka. But since Roger was pouring Stolichnaya, I'm going to presume it was Tchaikovsky or Stravinsky. :)

Loved the towel on his apparently dry, silver head. I also enjoyed his vivid hallucination of the 1919 World Series; I wonder if the game was at Comiskey?

It looks like Roger got actual enlightment from his LSD trip, since he's ending his unhappy marriage, cost be damned. Can't help but wonder with this means for his relationship with Joan ... and their baby.
tomfoolery815
Apr. 23rd, 2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
DON: You know what's going on here, don't you?
LANE: What?
DON: Handjobs.


I gotta say, that was a really good Don Draper imitation Peggy did when the Heinz guy was wavering. Don, of course, could've stopped her from going too far, but he was too busy ignoring what Megan wanted to notice what Peggy needed.

Young Ginsberg is the right age to have been born in a concentration camp. It does seem unlikely, but not impossible. That was a great scene between these two actors, as Peggy went from playing along to embracing his sad metaphor.
flippet
Apr. 24th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
I gotta say, that was a really good Don Draper imitation Peggy did when the Heinz guy was wavering.

I thought she was awesome. But like Tom & Lorenzo mentioned, at that point in time, you still couldn't get away with *actually* acting like a man. (And Peggy's still conflicted about that anyway. It makes sense that, especially when feeling a bit abandoned by Don, she'd go overboard.)


Actually, that's what's interesting me most this season (aside from Don and Megan's relationship) - the small, subtle ways that Peggy's showing her attachment to Don, and her jealousy of Megan. The violet gum/candy, her outburst at Don's party, the side-eyes at Megan. (T & L also pointed out that the root of Peggy and Megan's names is the same. That is interesting.)

Although Megan has her immaturities too, she is really good for Don in a lot of ways, and they could have a great relationship, except for a number of things that they skirt around, rather than facing head on - but again, times were changing, but they still weren't that kind of open.

On the other hand....that's one place where Peggy and Don do have that connection. There's a certain realness to aspects of their relationship that they only let out around each other, and I can see how (especially since other aspects are most definitely not there), Peggy would be confused, and a bit jealous, and a bit upset about whatever awareness she has of that as well. (Especially after The Suitcase....that was a huge connection, and then poof! Any 'rewards' or growth from that are poured out on Megan.) If Peggy's a little bit in love with Don, I don't think it's because she wants to be, necessarily, but it's due to their past connections.

Poor Abe, though. He's cute, and seems to be a really good guy.

Young Ginsberg is the right age to have been born in a concentration camp. It does seem unlikely, but not impossible

That was interesting. Definitely made me more sympathetic to him. T&L seemed to think that the way he was talking about being a 'martian' felt a little actually schizophrenic - I didn't get that at all. Like you, it just felt like a sad metaphor that he feels quite deeply. I wonder if we'll get more info on that, or if it will only skirt it. (Also - the father and his attachment to Young Ginsberg...that seemed so very familial. Not that it wouldn't, if he'd raised the boy, but it makes me wonder the exact circumstances of that. I'm not putting my thoughts well, here. There was a slight sensation of the typical childhood fantasy of 'this isn't my real family, I'm a foundling whose real, royal family will turn up to rescue me' in Ginsberg's story. Which felt odd, against the clear love and attachment his father has shown so far.)

One thing that was quite distracting to me this ep were the scenes between D&M in the car - the 'outline' of the figures against the 'moving scenery' was quite fake-looking and obvious. It bugged me because I thought this show usually did that kind of thing better. I was left wondering what went wrong.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 24th, 2012 01:18 am (UTC)
I gotta say, that was a really good Don Draper imitation Peggy did when the Heinz guy was wavering. Don, of course, could've stopped her from going too far, but he was too busy ignoring what Megan wanted to notice what Peggy needed.
I think that was more about acting like a man. Had she been a man, she probably could have converted the Heinz guy. At the very least she wouldn't have been fired off the account. She was speaking the truth. And he wanted none of it.

(At least Amy and I have our answer that he definitely wasn't Heinz but an exec at the company.)

Actually, that's what's interesting me most this season (aside from Don and Megan's relationship) - the small, subtle ways that Peggy's showing her attachment to Don, and her jealousy of Megan.
I'm not so sure its jealously. I think she realizes she needs help and the more time Don wants to go spend time on love leave the more trouble it means at the agency. No matter how good her campaigns are, most of the clients aren't going to want to hear the pitch from the woman. If they do, they want to hear the creative director convince them the woman is right.

Poor Abe, though. He's cute, and seems to be a really good guy.
Abe is clearly nothing more than a friend with benefits. That much was clear after that first scene.
flippet
Apr. 24th, 2012 01:37 am (UTC)
I'm not so sure its jealously. I think she realizes she needs help and the more time Don wants to go spend time on love leave the more trouble it means at the agency.

Oh, I think it's definitely that too. Peggy is most certainly about trying to be the best at her job that she can be, and wanting real help wherever she knows she can find it.

I just found it interesting that the ep opens with her desperately searching for the candy that Don gave her, with her lover lounging naked under the sheets. I don't think any of those juxtapositions are accidental. I think that she is slightly jealous, and attached, for multiple reasons, many of which are certainly work-related - but I think that jealousy is niggling at her because she doesn't necessarily *want* to be jealous, because it is unprofessional, and she wants more to be professional, and not 'held back' by romantic entanglements of any kind. It looks to me like she knows that she knows better than that, which is what makes it so irritating to her. (And there are many instances, I think, where it can still smart a bit when you didn't get what you didn't even want in the first place, if that makes sense.)

And of course I could be wrong. What I see is pretty subtle, and it's not like I'm shipping them or anything, nor do I think the show is either, particularly.
tomfoolery815
Apr. 24th, 2012 01:50 am (UTC)
I think that was more about acting like a man.
Yes, that's what I meant about going too far. Originally I was going to include the phrase "too far for a woman in 1966," but I left it out. Probably should've kept it in to make my point. :)
gatsbyfan
Apr. 24th, 2012 02:06 am (UTC)
I'm probably making an issue out of it because I just finished reading Mad Women: The Other Side of Life on Madison Avenue in the '60s and Beyond. She talks a lot about the working conditions for women in agencies back then and does some comparisons to Peggy. Ex: Biggest mistake by Mad Men... women copy writers in the early/mid-60s always wore hats in the office and out. It's what distinguished them from secretaries.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 24th, 2012 01:33 am (UTC)
I have to say this was one of my least favorite episodes. At times it seemed like they were hitting us over the head with messages. Especially early on in the Roger LSD scene. Ex: with the music "I guess I wasn’t made for these times".

I found it interesting that all three characters were dealing with a drug. For Peggy it was smoking pot in the theater, Roger LSD and Don... love (Megan).

I continue to feel sorry for Megan. Don doesn't have a clue as to what she wants. Something tells me this is going to continue to be a huge issue. Megan wants to stick around for the Heinz pitch and work. She feels like she abandoned the team. She likes her job and gets satisfaction from it. Good for her for calling him on his shit when she said: You like to work, but I can’t like to work.

Roger called that guy Dr. Leary. Was that sarcastic or were we supposed to believe that was actually Timothy Leary?

I thought it was interesting that when Roger looked in the mirror he saw Don.

What I did like about the scene with Roger and Jane was that it was so quiet. There wasn't a big explosion. Roger achieved clarity and realized that marriage wasn't working for either of them. They were no longer in love.

Jane: It’s going to be very expensive.
Roger: Yeah, I know.

So true. Poor Roger is really going to have to start pulling his weight at work and make some money.

Anyone else notice the comment about Jane's father speaking Yiddish. That was interesting. They never mentioned any issues with her being Jewish before and I would have thought there would have been definitely issues with a WASP like Roger marrying someone Jewish.


tomfoolery815
Apr. 24th, 2012 02:01 am (UTC)
Roger called that guy Dr. Leary. Was that sarcastic or were we supposed to believe that was actually Timothy Leary?
I thought that's what Roger meant. Some of the Mellon heirs helped Leary acquire a mansion in Poughkeepsie at about this time, according to Wikipedia. (The entry isn't explicit about the timeline.) But it appears the Roger and Jane never left the city.

His phrasing ... wasn't it "Dr. Leary's invention," or something? Where Roger would've known to associate LSD with Leary, but not that the host was Leary.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 24th, 2012 01:43 am (UTC)
I think my favorite moment of this episode was the end with Bert Cooper. We've been lead to believe he's completely out of touch reading the newspaper and waiting for meetings. Yet it is Bert who called Don out for his lack of work ethic. He tells Don that a client left unhappy yesterday and that Peggy needs help and is in over her head.

“It’s amazing things are going as well as they are with as little as you are doing..."

"You’ve been on love leave."

Only to be followed up with an announcement from Roger: It’s going to be a beautiful day.

Roger seems to be turning a corner at least personally by getting out of his unhappy marriage. And coupled with his advice to Lane last work about handling a client he seems to headed for happier times.

Don on the other hand clearly is not. He's checked out of work and Bert Cooper of all people called him on it. More people wouldn't address the problem if no one is there to give direction and lead. Coupled with the arguments he is having with Megan at home... I have a feeling it's going to get ugly before the end of Season 5.
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