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Mad Men: At the Codfish Ball

It's Sunday so that means it is time for a new episode of Mad Men!

Season 5, Episode 7: At the Codfish Ball
Don, Roger and Pete attempt to bring in new business. Sally comes to the aid of a relative.

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marymary
Apr. 30th, 2012 03:22 am (UTC)
"How's the city?" "Dirty."

Wow, that was fabulous, right?

Other favorite lines:

Roger's ex: "I thought you married Jane because I had gotten old. And then I realized it was because you had."

Don, listening to Megan's apologetic run-up to her pitch: "Well, we've established a firm bed of insecurity..."

Joan: "Men don't take the time to end things. They ignore you until you insist on a declaration of hate."

Megan to Peggy: "We have baseball."

Roger to Sally: "You're a mean drunk, you know that?"

THE BEST:

Emil: "No matter what you do, some day your little girl will spread her legs and fly away."

Edited at 2012-04-30 03:22 am (UTC)
marymary
Apr. 30th, 2012 03:28 am (UTC)
Things I loved:

Megan's Heinz concept and, even more, her elegant handling of the dinner pitch.

Sally's party dress.

Roger and Sally. I don't care what came after, that was adorable.

Peggy's face during the non-proposal. Brilliant.

Joan and Peggy. It was so cute that Peggy needed Joan's approval and Joan was so, so kind to her. <3

Emil. I love that actor in everything he does. Ronald Guttman, apparently.

Julia Ormond and Ray Wise too!

Peggy's mother's speech at the end of that scene. I love that they have her a very valid point, especially for the times. She was mean to leave the way she did, and Peggy has the right to do what she wants. But Mom's point is informed by years of observation and experience and the show didn't make a caricature of her.


marymary
Apr. 30th, 2012 05:49 am (UTC)
Oh, I almost forgot this one...

Roger to Sally: "I got you a Shirley Temple. It's time you started tapering off."

Sepinwall points out that, though we know Slattery has chemistry with literally everyone, he'd never considered the "enormous possibilities of putting Roger in a room with children." I couldn't agree more.

It's a brilliant pairing. Sally is so knowing, for a girl her age. She fashions herself as a little adult, and Roger treats her exactly that way (though without any of the vulgarity he might include if she were really an adult). He delivers his usual dry banter without condescending at all. So it comes off as very affectionate and respectful of her, and therefore sort of touching. The whole thing just sparkled.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 30th, 2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
THE BEST:

Emil: "No matter what you do, some day your little girl will spread her legs and fly away."

YES! That was the best. Part of me wonders if it wasn't a slip. Emil clearly isn't a fan of Don's.

Roger to Sally: "I got you a Shirley Temple. It's time you started tapering off."
Another of my favorites. Honestly Roger and Sally interacting made that episode for me. I loved the banter between the two of them. It was just perfect.

I love Roger but in this episode I loved him even more. It is so nice to see him happy and excited about work. I loved his talk with Mona.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 30th, 2012 01:33 pm (UTC)
Joan and Peggy. It was so cute that Peggy needed Joan's approval and Joan was so, so kind to her. <3
Yeah, I really liked that scene. I like that as time has gone by Joan and Peggy have become more friends.

And poor Peggy. I honestly don't know what she expected from her mother. You just knew that she wouldn't be happy about her moving in with Abe. Shacking up is just not something good girls did in the 60s. But her mother really took it to a new level with wanting to take the cake home. Her comment "get a cat" made me laugh.
marymary
Apr. 30th, 2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
I like that as time has gone by Joan and Peggy have become more friends.

Yes! I think Sepinwall said that if it had been an earlier season, we might think Joan was messing with Peggy -- telling her to go shopping as a dig, and secretly taking pleasure in her disappointment. But they're both in a different place now.

Which reminds me: I also loved Peggy's feeling of sisterhood with Megan. Her line about how she felt like SHE had just won, when Megan's campaign won Heinz.

Shacking up is just not something good girls did in the 60s. But her mother really took it to a new level with wanting to take the cake home. Her comment "get a cat" made me laugh.

In many families, shacking up is not something good girls do in 2012! I know if one of my siblings or cousins lived with a boyfriend or girlfriend, there would be a lot of disappointment and discussion about what to do about it.

Yes, I loved the cake thing and the cat thing. :)

As I said, above, I think Peggy's mom was mean and clumsy, but I see where she's coming from.

It's funny when you think about it within the context of Peggy's life. She's already had an illegitimate child and abandoned him. Moving in with her boyfriend is certainly less tragic, but maybe more...deliberate? Maybe Mom was thinking of the baby as an accident and hoping Peggy's life choices would put her on the side of respectability from then on. Especially as people don't know about the baby.

(Still waiting for Peggy and Pete's son to come back into the picture, btw.)
tomfoolery815
Apr. 30th, 2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
Your assessment of Roger's interaction with Sally is spot-on, Mary.

Roger and Sally. I don't care what came after, that was adorable.
I believe "what came after" refers to not-clandestine-enough activity? ;) That's the thing; Sally was having a wonderful time -- feeling proud of her dad, enjoying being a co-conspirator with Roger -- but what she's going to remember about the night, the reason she called Glen, is what she saw in the almost-empty ballroom.

The final tableau, with everyone in various shades of unhappiness? Brilliant. Of course, they left Roger out of that shot. :)

Needless to say: We're going to be seeing Kiernan Shipka for a long time. Don's line about Sally someday wearing makeup will probably turn up in a montage of Kiernan's career in about 40 or 50 years.
tomfoolery815
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
I am really happy that Ray Wise is slowly turning up in every one of my all-time favorite shows.

And Julia Ormond! I was thinking, as the episode went on, that that was Juliette Binoche. (Don't judge me. They're somewhat similar facially, and they're really close in age.)

Shacking up is just not something good girls did in the 60s. But her mother really took it to a new level with wanting to take the cake home. Her comment "get a cat" made me laugh.
Gatzy, I suspect everyone raised Catholic knew that when Mrs. Olson walked through the door, eventually we would hear the words "living in sin."

Peggy's face during the non-proposal. Brilliant.
Elisabeth Moss needs to win the Emmy she should've won for "The Suitcase," and she needs to win it soon.

tomfoolery815
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:14 pm (UTC)
Which reminds me: I also loved Peggy's feeling of sisterhood with Megan. Her line about how she felt like SHE had just won, when Megan's campaign won Heinz.
That was so cool! A true sisterhood. Megan thought she would have to break it to Peggy, that Peggy would feel cheated or undermined, somehow. But Peggy wants other women to follow through the door she opened.

Joan and Peggy. It was so cute that Peggy needed Joan's approval and Joan was so, so kind to her. <3
Yeah, I really liked that scene. I like that as time has gone by Joan and Peggy have become more friends.

They really have. Joan's approval is important to Peggy, but Joan really sees her as a friend, and a kindred spirit.

The Peggy/Joan relationship arc is really something: Joan seemed jealous of Peggy's trail-blazing at one point, and as late as last season -- in the wake of Joey getting fired, and Joan's "meaningless secretary/humorless bitch" comment in the elevator -- I wouldn't have given much hope for Peggy and Joan being friends. But it looks as though Peggy's "That's bullshit!" comment, in the wake of the Don/Megan engagement announcement, really furthered a bond between Joan and Peggy.
marymary
Apr. 30th, 2012 05:05 pm (UTC)
Tom, I agree that it's sad Sally's beautiful memory of that night was so completely ruined. Man, between her dad and her mom and little moments like these, a future healthy marriage for Sally Draper would be an incredible achievement, wouldn't it?

And Julia Ormond! I was thinking, as the episode went on, that that was Juliette Binoche. (Don't judge me. They're somewhat similar facially, and they're really close in age.)

I would never! :) Especially because for about 10 minutes, I could only come up with the "Julia" part, and it was driving me nuts. Binoche was one of the names that ran through my mind.

Sepinwall pointed out that imdb says Jessica and Julia are only 17 years apart, but it's not the first time TV or movies have nudged ages apart a little.

Oh and always nice to see Talia Balsam, right? :)

tomfoolery815
May. 1st, 2012 03:31 pm (UTC)
Only 9 months apart for Binoche and Ormond, IMDb says. Maybe Sepinwall was thinking of somebody else? They're both so beautiful, and brunettes, so I'm sure we weren't the only ones with the same small slate of candidates.

Oh and always nice to see Talia Balsam, right? :)
Yes! :) I was happy to see Mona return.

When I know actors are a real-life couple ... I know they're acting no matter what, but I always find it fun to see them flirt with each other. I'm sure it's fun for the actors, too; Nick Offerman and Megan Mullally seem to have a blast playing once-and-future lovers on Parks and Rec.
marymary
May. 2nd, 2012 03:00 am (UTC)
Only 9 months apart for Binoche and Ormond, IMDb says. Maybe Sepinwall was thinking of somebody else? They're both so beautiful, and brunettes, so I'm sure we weren't the only ones with the same small slate of candidates.

No, I was talking about Jessica Pare and Julia Ormond. Playing mother and daughter but only 17 years apart.

Yes, I'd imagine it's fun for a real couple to play against each other. Often it doesn't work well, but this one does.
tomfoolery815
May. 2nd, 2012 03:52 am (UTC)
Ah my mistake. Maybe Mrs. Calvet was his first, ahem, graduate student.

Edited at 2012-05-02 03:52 am (UTC)
tomfoolery815
May. 7th, 2012 12:22 am (UTC)
Entertainment Weekly says that Monday, May 14 is the date for the MM Inside the Actors Studio. Despite the absence of confirmation on any website or my on-screen guide, the only ITAS episode set to air on that date is at 7/6 Central.

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20385926_20456486,00.html#21154784

Before too long, we will either be working for Kiernan Shipka or dead by her hand. (tm 30 Rock)
gatsbyfan
May. 7th, 2012 12:25 am (UTC)
It's annoying because my guide says it's Modern Family. But that aired a while back. I'm going to have to manually record that one.

The only good thing is I wont actually miss it since I'll be busy packing for my trip for work.
tomfoolery815
May. 7th, 2012 03:13 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm puzzled about the lack of definitive information anywhere but EW.com. But I suppose they wouldn't be promoting it if they hadn't gotten a news release from Bravo.

I'm excited regardless. It should be fun.
tomfoolery815
May. 7th, 2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
I found a news release from Bravo. It's definitely at 7/6 Central on the 14th, a week from tonight.
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