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Jan. 30th, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC)
How the hell does a woman who already has six kids get fertility treatment?? Why would she want or need it? And what about all those people who don't have any kids who are waiting or have been denied treatment?

Makes me nuts, too.
Jan. 30th, 2009 11:37 pm (UTC)
Exactly. There is NOTHING good about this story. She had 6, including a set of multiples. Once you have multiples your chances of having multiples again increases greatly.

Plus, she's living with her mom. Where the hell is the father of the children?

Who is supporting them? People like this shouldn't get special treatment because they are stupid. My best friend is struggling with her 3 kids. She wanted two but had twins the second time around. She said that had she had twins first she would have been done because who can afford more.

I'd love to get my hands on the doctor who gave her the fertility treatments. I'd like to slap him.
Jan. 30th, 2009 11:46 pm (UTC)
I think it's tricky to say how many kids people should have, so I don't fault the doctors for treating her, no matter how many kids she has. When doctors start making judgments like that, it makes me crazy.

However, I am totally with you on the 8 babies thing. If this had been fertility drugs, it would have been less appalling. She takes drugs, she unknowingly ovulates a bunch of eggs, they do artificial insemination and she ends up pregnant with eight. Then she can't bring herself to abort any of them. I can almost understand that (though that would NOT be my choice).

But this was IVF! They IMPLANTED eight embryos! That's why the ferility doc community is up in arms about this. That's NOT customary, especially for a woman in her early 30s who can CLEARLY carry to term. My understanding is that current best practices are 2-3 embryos. Eight is insane.
Jan. 30th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
When doctors start making judgments like that, it makes me crazy.
I understand that. And I don't like to make judgments about how many children a person has BUT this is ridiculous.

I'm suspicious because she's living with her mother. If she's living with her mother because for money reasons this woman had no business having another child. (Which also makes me wonder where she got the money for the treatments.)

Things like this make me crazy because if she receives aid, its the tax payer paying for it. Why should I or any other tax payer pay for that? She should be ineligible to receive any aid.

But then you're only punishing the children who had nothing to do with being born to that.

And yes, the medical issues make me crazy too. Again, I'd like to slap that doctor.

Edited at 2009-01-30 11:58 pm (UTC)
Jan. 31st, 2009 12:35 am (UTC)
This is insane. If people want to have lots of kids and have the money, resources and love to support them, thats fine. My grandmother had 11 and my grandfather was on disability but they were fine parents and my mother never wanted.

But how does something like this happen? Why does someone with SIX kids already go in for fertility treatments? And why would they implant EIGHT!? And if she's already getting government assistance then how can she even afford fertility treatments which are like, uber expensive!? Its completely irresponsible and the burden ends up on the taxpayer and its all so bad.
Jan. 31st, 2009 12:44 am (UTC)
I'm going to echo the IVF statement from Mary above. Both of my nephews were conceived via IVF, and I know that the doctor refused to implant more than 3 embryos with each attempt. There's no way in the world that my sil's doctor would ever have implanted eight. I don't know who this woman went to, but that doctor went way above current medical guidelines.

I also found out from discussions with my bro and sil that insurance very rarely picks up the cost. Their treatments were partially paid for by insurance because my sil had a history of ectopic pregnancies 0 and that was the only reason. Without that history, their insurance would not have paid for any of it. Given this woman's ability to have children -- I don't think there's any way that insurance paid for it.

With regard to raising the kids -- I wouldn't be surprised if the woman did it to get her own tv show. There are two on TLC right now about very large families.

And yes, this story makes me sick, too.
Jan. 31st, 2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm pretty pissed, too, for all the reasons mentioned.

Who the hell gets fertility treatments when you've already got a freaking litter, and you're LIVING WITH YOUR PARENTS??? That right there says "I have no ability to take responsibility for myself."

One story I read had the reporter talking to the woman's father, who said something like 'you won't find us--we have a huge house, not here, you'll never know where it is.'

Uh, yeah. Sure you do. No one who has a 'huge house' able to house six children and three adults would be cramming themselves into what's probably a 3-bedroom ranch house for kicks.

Nothing more irritating than people being stupid, then crying foul when others CALL THEM ON IT.
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