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episode:  1.4 Au Courant

Summary of what happened.


I should have known things would be bad when Mason's daughter appeared. She's the girl who played Luke's daughter on Gilmore Girls. I hated her there and I found her annoying here. I had HUGE problems with Mason seeking advice from her. I mean come on. He has to know that she isn't the typical teenage. If he is that out of touch... they deserved to be fired from Mark Shale.

Mason tries to defend his daughter and mentions that he set up her facebook page. Um, if you had to set up her facebook page that should have been your first clue not to use her for market research. And a teenage with only 3 friends, one being her math teacher, I don't buy it unless the page was created 5 minutes ago.

(The same was true later on with Mason having no friends. He's supposed to big a big shot in an agency and he has no friends? Please.)

Leonard Cohen. Um again... really? Come on. Not a choice for a hip teenager.

I wasn't overly fond of the Sarah's rumored to be a lesbian story. I feel like that's been done before. 

The thing with Spike Jonze... again. Spike is a well known. A smart Creative Director wouldn't have picked someone as well known as Spike Jonze. 

The advertising stuff just really bothered me this week. And maybe its because I have a family member who works for an agency in town and I work closely with two guys who have their own agency after working for some bigger firms in town. They just aren't that out of touch. Even if they are married and live in the suburbs.

There were some funny lines here and there but overall, I liked last week's episode better.

 

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tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2009 02:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, I suppose if you know it's not true to the business, it's hard to ignore, isn't it Gatz? Especially if you compare it to Mad Men's painstaking attention to detail.

I mean come on. He has to know that she isn't the typical teenage. If he is that out of touch... they deserved to be fired from Mark Shale. Mason tries to defend his daughter and mentions that he set up her facebook page. Um, if you had to set up her facebook page that should have been your first clue not to use her for market research.
Well, when you say it like that ... ;-)

As you both know, I have a de facto teen daughter; she will be 13 in July. She loves U2, The Beatles, The Ramones and the Sex Pistols. She's atypical. I'm sure she's never heard of Leonard Cohen. I'm guessing Mason's daughter is supposed to be about 13 or 14.

(The same was true later on with Mason having no friends. He's supposed to big a big shot in an agency and he has no friends? Please.)
Well, he has no Facebook friends. I can believe that he set his own up, then never got around to populating it. I have some Facebook friends that rarely turn up on Facebook.
gatsbyfan
Feb. 18th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
I could believe that if he didn't work in an agency. It is their job to pay attention to trends. One would think that they might not go there often, but that they would at least have friends.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2009 02:54 am (UTC)
Yeah, fair point. At the very least, people would have sent Mason friend requests.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2009 02:17 am (UTC)
I enjoyed this episode. Unrealistic or not, it's just a fun show for me.

-- "I'm pre-mad." Must find a way to work that into conversation.

-- After Conner hid the evidence of red-pencil destruction, they had a seat-of-the-chair-level shot that revealed that Conner was inexplicably snapping all of Mason's colored pencils. Presumably, for sport. Ha!

OK, here's the clever thing that I loved:

Mason reaches down where the back of the chair meets the seat and pulls out Spike Jonze's name. The music that immediately starts playing is Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice," the video for which was directed by Spike Jonze.

Then, when Hector's trying to cheer up Sarah and he does a really-pretty-good Christopher Walken imitation? Walken was the only person in the "Weapon of Choice" video. :-)

If you've never seen it, it's really quite something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs
gatsbyfan
Feb. 18th, 2009 02:34 am (UTC)
I liked the cut to Fatboy Slim because I immediately knew why it was selected. I LOVED the Walken. Hector does a good Walken.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2009 04:19 am (UTC)
How did you guys feel about the Sarah storyline? I'm really enjoying Monica Potter's work, and I thought she did a nice job in this episode.
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2009 05:35 am (UTC)
gatz, I saw that you had some problems with this ep before I watched and before I came here. But I really like the show so far, so honestly I expected to watch and come here and say, "Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but..."

No buts. ITA with everything you said.

had HUGE problems with Mason seeking advice from her. I mean come on. He has to know that she isn't the typical teenage. If he is that out of touch...

Yeah, this is one example of the fundamental problem that you raise, which is that I've been watching a show about two funny, hip, incredibly talented guys and suddenly they're neither hip nor talented anymore! (Still funny.)

A Special Edition of "REALLY?" with Seth and Amy

1) To pick up on your point...is this how they tap into a demographic? They ask someone they know? Really? I would imagine that ad execs are much closer to research and how to do it than people in most other businesses. They do surveys, they do focus groups, they have their finger on the pulse of the whatever for a living.

2) This is how they pitch to a major account? One guy gets one idea and walks into the meeting with it, having not mentioned it to his partner? Really? He bounces it off NO ONE beforehand?

3) Mason McGuire, he of the awesome clothes, hot body, face to die for, magnificent glasses, huge brain, sexy job and impressive title, actually thinks that teenagers are cooler than he is? Really? I mean, I get that he might have to pitch it that way to Mark Shale, just to tap into their lust for the teenaged market, but is he seriously doubting himself over this?

4) I think this new Mark Shale account is, in fact, what Rothman Teens and More (or whatever) is supposed to handle. (I'm annoying myself with the Reallys.) So I don't get how Scary-Faced Boss Lady lets the two groups just duke it out and possibly alienate the client in the process.

As for the Sarah storyline, I didn't mind it. Though I thought they could have done a little more Seinfeldian ass-covering on the gay thing. She mentions very weakly that she's worried because she's having trouble dating, not that she minds being thought of as a lesbian. But that doesn't come through very well.

Up next: Things I Liked!
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2009 05:52 am (UTC)
I liked the open, with the "pre-mad" and the pencils too, Tom. I think the pencil thing is a great example of how they're getting a lot of character details right with Conner. Really funny.

Another one? When he's talking to Mason about pitching Mark Shale, he walks over to a board with a bunch of pictures on it. One of them is the backside of a woman. As he talks, he sort of traces the woman's figure with his finger. Had nothing to do with the conversation. That kind of thing is SO GOOD. Love that. I assume that's Cavenagh. *smooches him*

I LOVE Monica Potter. She manages to do that thing that lots of gorgeous actresses TRY (and fail) to do which is to convince us that she's actually a little frumpy and forlorn and insecure. Sheer force of acting, I tell you, as pretty as she is. The ubiquitous headbands help. *g* She's really funny and I think she's done a fantastic job of drawing her character so far. I dig her.

Funny lines:

One of the geek boys says Beverly is a lesbian.
Sarah: "How do you know?"
GB: "She brought you tea."
Sarah: "So?"
GB: "And I've seen her kissing girls."

Haley reassures her dad about all the sex she's having. "It's mostly oral." HA!

GB2 about Hector: "He's out with Sarah. I know. Isn't that ridiculous? I think it's cause he's tall."

That made me LOL. Because earlier, when she said one of them should take her to the party and she didn't care which, I was confused. GB2 is clearly better looking than Hector. But later they were standing, and I noticed how short GB2 is and I literally thought, "Oh. Yeah." Then later he said the thing about Hector being tall and I fell out.

Tom, I agree, that was a good Walken!

But I REALLY wish they hadn't kissed. That scene was so nice up until then.

The last thing I liked: At the end, the look on Conner when he says to Mason, "Shouldn't be a problem." Guh. Rewatch.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
I think the pencil thing is a great example of how they're getting a lot of character details right with Conner. Really funny.
Yes! That and the caressing of the model in the photo. These things with Conner are being done subtly. Which is always better.

convince us that she's actually a little frumpy and forlorn and insecure. Sheer force of acting, I tell you, as pretty as she is ... I think she's done a fantastic job of drawing her character so far. I dig her.
I do too, Mary. I end up believing that Sarah is some kind of schoolmarm ... and then I take a really good look at her, and am reminded that she's a beautiful woman. Excellent work by MP.

But I REALLY wish they hadn't kissed. That scene was so nice up until then.
I like what they did with it, though. It was an emotional moment for her; they kissed. She pulls back and says "Maybe I am gay." Hector's hands are down by his knees, and he does a hand shrug. "What? Too much tongue?" Which is kind of mean to Hector, but funny.

GB: "She brought you tea."
Sarah: "So?"
GB: "And I've seen her kissing girls."

In journalism we call that burying the lead. :-)

At the end, the look on Conner when he says to Mason, "Shouldn't be a problem."
Gently, but confidently, asserting to his best friend: "This is what I do." Conner is the Sundance Kid: "You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at."

Edited at 2009-02-18 03:49 pm (UTC)
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
In journalism we call that burying the lead. :-)

Yes I know! I learned it from Broadcast News. :-)

At the end, the look on Conner when he says to Mason, "Shouldn't be a problem."

Gently, but confidently, asserting to his best friend: "This is what I do." Conner is the Sundance Kid: "You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at."


Yes, I agree. And yet the reason I liked the look on his face was something that you might not be able to fully appreciate. In the way that gatz can, ifyaknowwhatImean.

I see Sarah as a sort of bull in a china shop, own worst enemy kind of person. So I did like that "maybe I am gay" line, because that's exactly why the people at her old firm didn't like her. I think that people can see that she's beautiful, but she inadvertently works against it with slightly odd clothes and her very indelicate manner. I mean, I don't think that she's considered unattractive by the people around her, just a little off. She was attractive enough for Mason to make out with that one time. I can't wait to get more story on THAT. ;-)

Also, I thought it was a little contrived that Conner offered to take her out, then she said she considered that a date and nixed it, then she went to the Geek Boys to get a date to the party. Did I miss something? I must have missed something. As it turned out, of course, Conner was in LA when that party happened, but that was a last-minute thing. If she wanted a beard, why wouldn't she have taken Conner up on his original offer for a platonic date?

I also didn't like how Conner used Amanda to try to get to Spike Jonze. I don't think they mean his character to be that sleazy. If he had gone on a date with a woman he barely knew to get Spike Jonze, fine. Or if he had called up an old girlfriend and met her for coffee and used his charm to go for the favor directly, fine. But he took an old girlfriend --- one who clearly still had feelings for him --- out on a real date to use her for her connections. And he was going to sleep with her! He said something about being nice enough to ask for the favor that night, instead of "in the morning." I just didn't think they were meaning to make Conner a soulless jerk. And to get Mason out of something that was totally Mason's fault in the first place!

Last and certainly least, I don't like "Conner" spelled that way. It's silly of me, but that spelling strikes me as just an Americanized, phonetic version of the Irish name "Conor". Like some people name their kids "Shawn" instead of "Sean."
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
And yet the reason I liked the look on his face was something that you might not be able to fully appreciate. In the way that gatz can, ifyaknowwhatImean.
I did know what you meant when you wrote "Guh." :-) I was just indicating that it's an appealing moment for men, too.

I think that people can see that she's beautiful, but she inadvertently works against it with slightly odd clothes and her very indelicate manner.
Yes, MP has done a great job conveying this, too. When Mason shows up, and JO'H's character before him, she's a sprinter coming out of the blocks, flying at somebody who just walked in the door, insisting that they address her needs right NOW. It doesn't make her needs illegitimate -- she'd earned the status of her own office -- but you let somebody put down his or her briefcase before you start demanding things.

Also, I thought it was a little contrived that Conner offered to take her out, then she said she considered that a date and nixed it, then she went to the Geek Boys to get a date to the party. Did I miss something? I must have missed something.
It was. If you missed it, I missed it, too. I think it wasn't until she realized that everybody who's anybody will be at this event, and therefore, she (feels she) has to show up with a man.

I have a feeling that they're going to put Conner and Sarah together at some point.

I just didn't think they were meaning to make Conner a soulless jerk. And to get Mason out of something that was totally Mason's fault in the first place!
Yeah, fair point. Maybe it's supposed to indicate Conner's arrested development, his continuing adolescence? I don't know.

If he were willfully playing with her emotions, using her to help Mason and get laid, then yes, soulless jerk. But perhaps it's meant to indicate that Conner doesn't think these things through, that it wasn't until he heard himself saying "in the morning" that he realized how these machinations make Amanda feel.
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2009 05:00 pm (UTC)
If he were willfully playing with her emotions, using her to help Mason and get laid, then yes, soulless jerk. But perhaps it's meant to indicate that Conner doesn't think these things through, that it wasn't until he heard himself saying "in the morning" that he realized how these machinations make Amanda feel.

Yeah, I just don't see how he DIDN'T know that he was using her. (Not to get laid, to help Mason, though sex might have been a bonus.)

I guess I would have preferred it if he thought she was as casual about it as he was. That he thought their breakup was mutual then maybe on the date she made it clear she had feelings for him and then he was like, "You really care about me? Ohhhh, now I feel like a jerk." But he didn't seem surprised that she was hurt by the breakup, and then he was all, "Yeah, whatever, see...I need a favor." And then tried to argue that he was not so bad because he had asked her before they slept together!

I don't think Conner is a soulless jerk, I just think they made a misstep here. Over time, it will probably just seem like a blip. *hopes*

I really liked last week, with his old girlfriend. Because that showed that he was a little bit immature, either lying about why he wanted to see her or lying to himself...just because he realized he missed her. That is a very imperfect guy who is making blunders based on sincere feelings. This was a favor for a friend, yes, but something not that important (a director for an ad?), something that Mason didn't really deserve and which stomped on an innocent person in the process. Too much ick for me.

But like I said, I love the show and love the characters and I just think this was a mistake.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I just don't see how he DIDN'T know that he was using her. (Not to get laid, to help Mason, though sex might have been a bonus.) I guess I would have preferred it if he thought she was as casual about it as he was.
I think he was hoping, without asking too many questions, that she was equivalently casual about it. But "it's really nice to hear your voice" should have tipped him off right away. If it had been casual, she would have said "Hey, Conner!", right? Something that indicated that, for Amanda, Conner equals "good time," not "old flame."

This was a favor for a friend, yes, but something not that important (a director for an ad?), something that Mason didn't really deserve and which stomped on an innocent person in the process. Too much ick for me. ... I just think they made a misstep here.
I do, too. I don't think they're setting up Conner to be that kind of guy.

But like I said, I love the show and love the characters and I just think this was a mistake.
Me, too! I'm not bothered by them not getting the professional details correct in this episode. They've written some great characters here, and cast terrific, funny actors to play them. That's enough for me. :-)
gatsbyfan
Feb. 19th, 2009 03:32 am (UTC)
I LOVE Monica Potter. She manages to do that thing that lots of gorgeous actresses TRY (and fail) to do which is to convince us that she's actually a little frumpy and forlorn and insecure.
I loved her reaction to Conner when he asks her if she wants to go shopping. She stops for a moment and Conner goes back to doing whatever on the computer.

But I REALLY wish they hadn't kissed. That scene was so nice up until then.
I agree. It was so sweet and they just don't work. I would have preferred funny to awkward in that moment.

She was attractive enough for Mason to make out with that one time. I can't wait to get more story on THAT.
No kidding! For some reason I could see it with Conner more. That is going to be some storyline.

I have a feeling that they're going to put Conner and Sarah together at some point.
Yeah, I get that feeling too. I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. But it could be very amusing.

gatsbyfan
Feb. 19th, 2009 03:36 am (UTC)
But like I said, I love the show and love the characters
Me too. I just was really bothered with those things details. But at least they still brought the funny.

Honestly, I could sit and watch Tom Cavanagh read the yellow pages. Bet he'd find a way to make THAT funny.
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