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this makes my blood boil


I cannot recall hearing a story on NPR that has every angered me as much as the one I heard this morning.

Supreme Court To Hear School Strip-Search Case

Redding says she was then asked to strip down to her underwear and stood there while the nurse and secretary inspected her clothes and shoes.

"Then, you know, I thought they were going to let me put my clothes back on, but instead they asked me to pull out my bra and shake it, and the crotch on my underwear, too," Redding says.


I cannot find any circumstance where this is acceptable behavior. When you hear more of the details surrounding the allegation is just gets worse.

A 13yr girl should never be subjected to this kind of treatment. To me this is almost akin to being molested by a teacher.

There's a special place in hell for an administrator who thinks this is acceptable behavior.

Comments

watson1
Apr. 22nd, 2009 01:36 am (UTC)
We talked about that in my introductory CJ class yesterday, Gatz. My students, who generally tend to be very conservative (in the vein of: the death penalty is a fantastic thing, but we should just kill them right away mode), were just appalled. I actually found a little glimmer of hope in their reaction.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:10 am (UTC)
I was in favor of the death penalty when I was growing up. Probably influenced by the fact that I was a child of a Chicago Police Officer.

But as more and more cases were coming back with people being wrongfully convicted (for various reasons)... I changed my mind.
anatolealice
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:15 am (UTC)
My country doesn't have the death penalty and I have to admit, there have been cases where I wish it could have been used. But I agree with you about cases of wrongful conviction. That's probably my biggest issue with it.

Probably influenced by the fact that I was a child of a Chicago Police Officer.

It makes an interesting contrast combined with the influence of a catholic upbringing.I didn't realise your Dad (I'm assuming?) was a police officer.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
Dad is a very lapsed Catholic and a retired CPD. Mom still goes to mass weekly and is a nurse.

I don't think the Catholicism had that much to do with it. I have too many issues with the Church.
anatolealice
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:26 am (UTC)
Yeah, me too. (Particularly at the moment after that situation with the pregnant 9 year old, that pushed me over the edge)

And then there are issues like this where as Toby's rabbi says, they do have a good record and yet I sometimes go the other way.
watson1
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:22 am (UTC)
You're not alone. The majority of the population is in support of the death penalty, but the results from the surveys are pretty soft. You can change people's responses by how you ask the question: e.g. if you give people the option of life in prison without parole, support for the death penalty drops significantly.

And, over the last couple of years, support for the death penalty has fallen (as has the number of people sentenced to death), in part because of concerns about actual innocence.
gatsbyfan
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
I remember as a kid the argument being made that it was cheaper to "fry them" then stick them in a cell forever. But that's just not actually true. It seemed like justice was being served.

But too many cases have come to light. And then you also have the others that are requesting stays with details about their Council being incompetent. (Many coming from the State of Texas...)

I think that a lot of the reasons (e.x. The death penalty preventing crimes like murder) used in the past have been proven false.
anatolealice
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:49 am (UTC)
I think that a lot of the reasons (e.x. The death penalty preventing crimes like murder) used in the past have been proven false.

This was the example that we would often hear. No death penalty in Australia or the UK and I think our murder rates are significantly lower than in say, Texas (though that's probably gun control related)
anatolealice
Apr. 22nd, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
I was thinking about this last night Watzy and I think the reason I oppose the death penalty is because sometimes I don't oppose the death penalty, if that makes sense. When President Bartlet asks Charlie if he would have wanted the death penalty for the person who killed his mother, Charlie says he would have wanted to kill the person himself. That's why I oppose it, because there are crimes where I don't think life imprisonment is enough and I would like to see the person dead but I think the state killing a person because people feel that way is as dangerous and wrong as an individual taking action.

And I guess living safely in a country where the death penalty no longer exists I can say things like "I don't always oppose the death penalty" because I can do so without there being consequences. I think if I lived somewhere where it could be used then I would have to put my money where my mouth is and be more vocal against it.
anatolealice
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:10 am (UTC)
my students, who generally tend to be very conservative (in the vein of: the death penalty is a fantastic thing, but we should just kill them right away mode)

Hee! No wonder you turn to keytus for relaxation Watzy. Knowing your political views and your opinion on guns etc, I imagine some of your class discussions are quite painful for you :-)
watson1
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:29 am (UTC)
Oh, I definitely get frustrated at times. However, over the years, I've learned to set the students up. I let them make their argument, and them slam them with something personal.

For example - they tend to support, and vigorously defend, the death penalty even though many of them acknowledge that a mistake will be made, and someone who is factually innocent will get executed. According to them, mistakes are acceptable.

I then ask them for volunteers. When one of them actually volunteers -- I let them know that I'm going to make a mistake with their grade. Because, hey, I'm human -- and I'm going to make mistakes. But since it doesn't happen very often, it's not a big deal.

That gets their attention -- fast.
anatolealice
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:50 am (UTC)
That is a great example!