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mad men: "love among the ruins"


It's so nice to come to the end of the weekend and look forward to something on tv. I love this show.  This week's episode for those of us that don't have the iTunes season pass and didn't get the release last Monday:

Episode 2: Love Among the Ruins
Betty gets a visit from her father. Sterling Cooper grapples with a very specific client request. Roger makes arrangements for a wedding. Peggy becomes personally affected by a campaign.

Roger planning a wedding? The writers love us. Grab your martini and join in the discussion.

Comments

marymary
Aug. 29th, 2009 02:25 am (UTC)
Hi, guys! I find I have very little to say about this one.

I did really like Peggy in the Patio meeting. And on her hookup...I just saw it as Peggy doing something she wanted to do. She's already defied two major social norms -- she's had a baby out of wedlock and she's a female ad-man. I saw this as an extension of that --- she's making her own rules.

On the other hand...Tom, you characterized it Peggy's desire to be like the guys. You might be right about that; maybe I'm a) putting more of a modern mind-set on Peggy and b) giving her more credit for really taking charge of her own life than she deserves. She is sort of feeling her way through things, after all.

Oh, and Maypole Teacher is...someone. I can't remember where I know her from. So I think there might well be something between her and Don, cause I don't think she's just a one-scene girl.
tomfoolery815
Aug. 29th, 2009 04:42 am (UTC)
She's already defied two major social norms -- she's had a baby out of wedlock and she's a female ad-man. I saw this as an extension of that --- she's making her own rules.
That could very well be the case, Mary. Because picking a guy with whom to hook up is certainly not in line with the social norm for a "proper" woman in '63. But she is refusing to let societal norms define her or dictate her behavior.

I don't mean that she wants to be a guy. I think she's thinking "I'm a Madison Avenue copywriter; Madison Avenue copywriters go out and hook up with people if they want; I'm going to hook up with someone."

You might be right about that; maybe I'm a) putting more of a modern mind-set on Peggy
You are. But so is she. :-)

and b) giving her more credit for really taking charge of her own life than she deserves.
I don't think you are. She is taking charge of her own life. That includes doing what she wants to do.
marymary
Aug. 30th, 2009 05:31 pm (UTC)
I don't mean that she wants to be a guy. I think she's thinking "I'm a Madison Avenue copywriter; Madison Avenue copywriters go out and hook up with people if they want

Yeah, I knew exactly what you meant. :-) I still don't know whether I think it's that or whether she's being truly revolutionary. I'll have to mull for a few more episodes. :-)
tomfoolery815
Aug. 30th, 2009 07:45 pm (UTC)
We do seem to be harmonizing, yes. :-)

I still don't know whether I think it's that or whether she's being truly revolutionary.
Too early to tell, probably. As a woman having casual sex (OK, only once so far), she's not without precedent; she had to know Bobbie and Don were having sex when she bailed Don out.

It occurs to me that Peggy has been/is taking guidance from several sources, and to varying degrees: Joan, then Don, then Bobbie, even Roger a little bit. And when trying to break the ice with men, she could certainly do worse than to steal one of Joan's lines.

I'll have to mull for a few more episodes. :-)
Me, too. Clearly, more study is required. :-)