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they speak the truth

Go read this.

Enough said.

::still bitter about Josh and Donna::

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anatolealice
Sep. 18th, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
Thanks for the link Gatzy Ugh, I hate that excuse, it's bee used to eff up so many shows I like. And yes, I'm still bitter too. Season 6 might still be better TV than most of what is on and I learned a heck of a lot about presidential campaigns but I hated the characters all being split up, especially Josh and Donna. Meh.
gatsbyfan
Sep. 18th, 2009 01:07 pm (UTC)
I just hate that they do it to most couples. Even Luke and Lorelei. They brought them together and split them apart. It wasn't good storytelling. It was just stupid.

There comes a time when enough is enough.
anatolealice
Sep. 18th, 2009 07:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they are a good example - maybe way this struck me particularly hard because I've been watching Gilmore Girls lately. That whole L&L storyline was stupid. If people who were great friends like that can't make it work, none of us should bother.
tomfoolery815
Sep. 18th, 2009 03:38 am (UTC)
::still bitter about Josh and Donna::
You mean separating them, Gatz? I didn't mind that part. I think it was an important step for Donna.

I'm glad the author cited Jim and Pam. They are the couple on the show, but the show doesn't revolve around their coupledom.

The worst application of the Moonlighting rule? Ross and Rachel. They put them together and tore them apart enough times where I no longer cared whether they ended up together. I went from loving Friends the season Monica and Chandler got together to not even watching the last several seasons. I didn't even watch the finale, and it was partly because I had lost interest in the will they/won't they question.
gatsbyfan
Sep. 18th, 2009 01:13 pm (UTC)
No, not separating them. I get that they had to be separated so that Donna could grow. Season 1 Donna and Season 7 Donna are light years apart in most ways.

The thing that makes me mad is when they wait so effing long. They could have found a way to put them together sooner.

You didn't watch Gilmore Girls but it was another show that really irked me. They bring them together and rip them apart with a ridiculous storyline. It wasn't so much that it wasn't possible of happening but more so the way the character handled it.

And yes, I bailed on Friends because I too was tired of the Ross/Rachel storyline.
tomfoolery815
Sep. 18th, 2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
They could have found a way to put them together sooner.
If a fan wanted to see them together romantically, they didn't get a lot of that.
anatolealice
Sep. 18th, 2009 07:52 pm (UTC)
Sorry to butt in... my issue was partly with separating all the characters. I was happy for Josh and Donna to be apart enough for Donna to grow, but I hated losing the tight knit 'we can achieve anything' feeling we got from the senior staff seasons 1-5. It all fell apart. So I hated the separation from that point of view. And it took too long, I felt like I was being pandered to by having them get together at the end.
cantbesilent
Sep. 18th, 2009 04:02 am (UTC)
I agree with this article, and the history of that show is interesting. I was unaware of how little it holds water, even though I'm sick to death of that reference. Many, many shows can couple up their pairs quite successfully.

I'm not bitter about J/D though. I would have liked to have seen a little more, but I think pulling them apart and dragging up that hostility was actually really good for Donna, and it was excellent to get them together on their own terms, when she was more of her own secure person. They still kind of retained their essence in the end, even if the last episode was actually meh.
tomfoolery815
Sep. 18th, 2009 04:05 am (UTC)
I think pulling them apart and dragging up that hostility was actually really good for Donna, and it was excellent to get them together on their own terms, when she was more of her own secure person.
Yes! I agree, cantbesilent.
gatsbyfan
Sep. 18th, 2009 01:19 pm (UTC)
I agree with you but they could have done it a lot earlier!

I just don't like when they drag stuff out. See my rant above on Gilmore Girls.

flippet
Sep. 18th, 2009 04:14 am (UTC)
Great article, and I'd forgotten that the Moonlighting characters weren't even onscreen together for most of that season.

Uh, yeah, that's gonna kill your show. Duh.


And then there's that tiny problem of the actors pretty well loathing each other.


Seriously, if you've got good writers, good characters, and actors with good or great chemistry, it. will. work. There are always more stories to be told, and if your show isn't a one-trick pony to begin with, there's no need for a particular trick to bring it crashing to its doom.

gatsbyfan
Sep. 18th, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
Exactly! I forgot about them being apart for season 4 too.

Its just such a shame when the actors have great chemistry. There is so much that they can do instead of more of the will they/won't they crap.
olsonm_raymond
Sep. 18th, 2009 06:13 pm (UTC)
It sounds like projection. The writers are afraid to change a successful formula because if it doesn't work they can only blame themselves. So they blame the audience. The audience doesn't want this. The audience will get bored. It's more like the writers don't want this and the writers will get bored.

It also plays into the old thing about the audience being stupid and just wants to see the same thing over and over again. One of the more self-serving rationalizations I've ever heard. There is a kernel of truth to it. If the spirit of the show (the thing that makes it unique) changes people might lose interest. It's why they are watching the show in the first place. But the audience can handle a natural, realistic evolution on a show: if it's done well. And that puts it back on the writers. So they project.
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