?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

mad men: "the grown-ups"

Last week's episode proves why Mad Men is one of the best shows on tv and why JON HAMM DESERVES A FICKIN EMMY. It also proves that January Jones is more than just a pretty face.

Season 3: Episode 12: The Grown-Ups
Don meets with an impressive candidate. Peggy second guesses her taste in men. Pete makes big career decisions.

Time to chat about this week's episode.

Comments

( 9 comments — Leave a comment )
tomfoolery815
Nov. 2nd, 2009 02:57 am (UTC)
Last week's episode proves why Mad Men is one of the best shows on tv and why JON HAMM DESERVES A FICKIN EMMY. It also proves that January Jones is more than just a pretty face.
Fick yeah! As I was saying in last week's thread, I thought they were both unbelievably great in those scenes.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 2nd, 2009 04:31 am (UTC)
Jeebus, Matthew Weiner is brilliant. The murders of JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald as a metaphor for the state of Don and Betty's relationship. Not unlike, say, the Cuban Missile Crisis as a metaphor for the state of Don and Betty's relationship.

Don: Why are the kids watching this?
Betty: What am I supposed to do, Don? Am I supposed to keep it from them?

And of course, Betty asking Henry -- and everybody, and nobody -- "What is going on?" and saying that she "can't believe in anything right now."

Look at how beaten down Don is walking to the chair in the bedroom. He knows she's not buying it anymore.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 2nd, 2009 04:36 am (UTC)
We were talking last week about Roger thinking that Joan was The One. Each instance of Jane acting like the really young woman she is only reinforces that thought. In my head, anyway.

I transcribe because I care:

Roger: ... nobody else is saying the right thing about this.
Joan: My God. You're really upset.
Roger: And what's that about?
Joan: Because there's nothing funny about this.
(Wow ... not only is that a bull's-eye, that's the arrow that splits the arrow that hit the bull's eye before.)
Roger: Well .. hang in there, Red.

Theirs is the healthiest relationship on the show right now, isn't it?

Edited at 2009-11-02 04:39 am (UTC)
gatsbyfan
Nov. 3rd, 2009 01:51 am (UTC)
as a metaphor for the state of Don and Betty's relationship
Yeah, it was pretty amazing. I loved when their son said, "It's cold outside.". I have a feeling it was much colder in the house.

Look at how beaten down Don is walking to the chair in the bedroom. He knows she's not buying it anymore.
That shot was incredible. Pulling back the camera slowing keeping him off to the side. Amazing. Clearly Don is upset and distraught by Betty's comments and reactions.
gatsbyfan
Nov. 3rd, 2009 01:56 am (UTC)
Theirs is the healthiest relationship on the show right now, isn't it?
What struck me with both that scene and the scene last week was how much Roger misses Joan. She made things easier for him. She understood him. She was his one and I think he is finally starting to understand that.

Jane was behaving like a child complete with stomping off to lock herself in the bathroom. Loved Roger's comment to Cooper to watch after her when they were watching tv during the reception. Jane once again proves she can't handle her liquor when Roger has to carry her home.

Mona was incredible. Way to take the high road. I loved how she handled the situation and was glad when Roger mentioned her in the toast.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 3rd, 2009 04:17 am (UTC)
I loved when their son said, "It's cold outside.". I have a feeling it was much colder in the house.
No doubt, Gatzy.

That shot was incredible.
I know, right? In back-to-back episodes, we've seen Don as we've never seen him.

She was his one and I think he is finally starting to understand that.
Yep. And that marrying Jane was a mistake, methinks.

Jane once again proves she can't handle her liquor when Roger has to carry her home.
I like that, while draped over his shoulder, she says: "He was so handsome ... and now I'll never get to vote for him!" Underscoring her youth: She wasn't even 21 in 1960.

I really liked Mona in this one, too. And yes, Roger's toast was classy with regard to her.
marymary
Nov. 3rd, 2009 05:42 am (UTC)
I pretty much agree with what you guys have said and I'm up late, so please forgive my lack of cutting and pasting. :-)

On Jane...I'm not sure I really understand Roger's feelings about her. (Last week he turned down the old flame, implying that it was Jane, not just his marriage, that was keeping him from cheating). But I agree, gatz, the age gap does seem to be showing.

I agree with you guys on Joan...she understands him so well and that seems so compelling and so comforting to him.

Gosh, the Don and Betty stuff. I have to say I'm struggling with it a little. Yes, the metaphor is elegant and the acting is impeccable. I guess I'd summarize by saying I believe what Betty is saying because January Jones as Betty believes it in that moment. But not because it actually makes any emotional sense to me whatsoever.

She seems to be in love with Henry and is considering his proposal? Did I miss their entire relationship? She doesn't love Don anymore? I guess that happened sometime after she ran into his arms for comfort when the president was shot.

If anything, their relationship has been getting better, not worse. Rome and the revelation of Don's lie would both seem to be powerful, cathartic events for them. Yes, Betty discovered his lie and she's supremely freaked out, but Don opened up in a way that she's always wanted him to. (Recall her beating her head against his brick wall to admit the affairs, after which they separated.) Yes, Don has been cheating as always, but Betty doesn't know about Suzanne; Don gave Suzanne up to focus on Betty.

NOW she doesn't love him?

Of all people, I heard Barbara Walters talking today about Mad Men. She said that people did funny things after the president was killed. Almost a wartime mentality -- she and her boyfriend had just broken up, yet after the assassination they got married! She said it made people sort of sieze the day.

I wish the show had made that point for me a little bit more. Maybe it was there and I'm just too dense. :-) I saw it with Pete...possibly I'm supposed to connect the lines to Betty. If she had just suddenly and clearly turned away from Don after the assassination and left Henry out of it, it would make a little more sense. IDK, I trust the show, I'm sure it's just me.
tomfoolery815
Nov. 3rd, 2009 06:09 am (UTC)
Hey Mary! I'm glad to see you back in the conversation. :-)

Yes, Betty discovered his lie and she's supremely freaked out, but Don opened up in a way that she's always wanted him to. (Recall her beating her head against his brick wall to admit the affairs, after which they separated.)
Excellent point. She had been seeking that from Don, and now she has it.

Yes, Don has been cheating as always, but Betty doesn't know about Suzanne; Don gave Suzanne up to focus on Betty.
Yes, but that's something only we know, right? Something we're giving Don credit for -- because the bar for Don-as-husband is roughly ankle-high -- but Betty doesn't know that's something in Don's "Pro" column.

My interpretation is that, having learned about Dick Whitman, Betty feels betrayed by Don on a foundational level: There's this original sin that Betty has, 10 years and three kids later, only now found out about. Additionally, she's a spoiled rich girl. (Last week she said to Don "I see how you are with money; you don't understand it.") So there's a bit of "You have the audacity to have done this to me?"

When Henry walked into the ballroom at Roger's daughter's wedding, she smiled and mouthed the words "Of course." IMO, she sees herself as a princess, and she thinks Henry has returned to be the man she deserves. That's what leads her to arrange to meet in the parking lot.

She doesn't love Don anymore? I guess that happened sometime after she ran into his arms for comfort when the president was shot.
Fair point. My guess is that the weight of what had happened, metaphorically or otherwise, hadn't set in at the moment, on Friday, when she ran into Don's arms. But as the weekend went on, PTSD kicked in. By the time Oswald was shot on Sunday, she's all "Don't touch me."
tomfoolery815
Nov. 5th, 2009 09:12 pm (UTC)
This looks like fun. Especially the part where Bryan Batt sings about the first gay caveman.

http://www.sling.com/blog/5925/TV-Guide's-%22Mad-Men%22-InFANity:-Hey,-Look-What-We-Just-Got!

Edited at 2009-11-06 12:21 am (UTC)
( 9 comments — Leave a comment )

Latest Month

June 2012
S M T W T F S
     12
3456789
10111213141516
17181920212223
24252627282930
Powered by LiveJournal.com