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That week went way too fast. Here we are another Sunday night and a new episode of Mad Men.

Episode 2: Christmas Comes But Once a Year
A last minute visitor threatens to spoil the agency's Christmas party.

Something tells me this is going to be an interesting Christmas party. (How retro... we're actually calling it a Christmas party.)

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anatolealice
Aug. 2nd, 2010 02:14 am (UTC)
(How retro... we're actually calling it a Christmas party.)

It's always called a Christmas Party here (if it were celebrating something else, it'd be called something else) and I like Retro so works for me :-)

Also I missed that you were discussing S4 - hope you don't mind if I join in? I can watch it later tonight.

Edited at 2010-08-02 02:47 am (UTC)
marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 03:18 am (UTC)
Of course you should join in!! And your icon is fantastic. :D

So I'm curious...I wonder what accounts for the difference between Australia and here -- the company-sponsored holiday parties are generally Christmas parties?
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marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 03:06 am (UTC)
An actual Conga line! I wish I could go to that party.

I loved Harry saying, "Sorry sorry sorry" as he sat on Roger's lap.

What made it all better:
Don: "Did you enjoy the Fuehrer's birthday?"
Roger: "May he live for a thousand years."

Other things I loved:

Peggy: "You're never going to get me to do anything Swedish people do."

"Don't worry, you'll be married in a year."

And that shot of Don in the phone booth was gooorgeous, did anyone see that? It was absoluely Hopperesque.
marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 03:13 am (UTC)
So Sally's got an outlaw boyfriend already? Man, Glenn is creepy with a capital creep.

Nice to see Joel Murray! I really loved Roger cutting Pete off as he nearly asked Freddy whether he was sober.

It's fun, what some of MM's advertisers are doing, going retro with their commercials.

amycurl
Aug. 6th, 2010 02:54 am (UTC)
Glenn--creepy in Season 1, creepy now! I love the callback, though....a show that knows what happened in the past is such, such a rare thing. :)
gatsbyfan
Aug. 2nd, 2010 01:12 pm (UTC)
An actual Conga line! I wish I could go to that party.
How fabulous was that?! I loved that Joan was leading it. Of course Joan would be leading it.

But I have to say, I wouldn't want to be there for the rest of the party. Mr. Lucky Strike is an ass#*@&. He clearly knows that he is a position of authority and is going to use it to his advantage. Roger dressed as Santa. Harry sitting on Roger's lap. Poor Roger.

"Don't worry, you'll be married in a year."
Yeah, I loved that comment too. It also seemed to freak him out a bit. Here he thinks she's coming to flirt with him because most women flirt with him... but no, she's got his number.

His poor secretary. I think she had hopes that something was going to change in there relationship. Instead she got $100. Poor thing probably feels like a prostitute.

And that shot of Don in the phone booth was gooorgeous, did anyone see that? It was absoluely Hopperesque.
I may have hit the rewind and pause buttons. It was a gorgeous shot.
flippet
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:08 pm (UTC)
His poor secretary. I think she had hopes that something was going to change in there relationship. Instead she got $100. Poor thing probably feels like a prostitute.

I think that we, as the audience, were definitely supposed to make the paid-for-sex connection, but I think that even the characters understood that the prostitution connection, while there, was inadvertent.

It's like the old 'racing towards the cliff' thing - Don had already promised her a bonus. He couldn't renege on it. The fact that sex had suddenly gotten in the middle of it made a simple promised Christmas bonus feel incredibly dirty, probably for both of them, yet they both knew that wasn't what it *really* was...it was just tainted, now. As was everything - thus the (presumed) resignation letter.
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gatsbyfan
Aug. 2nd, 2010 01:19 pm (UTC)
So Sally's got an outlaw boyfriend already? Man, Glenn is creepy with a capital creep.
Just when you think that Glenn can't get any more creepy... he ups the ante. Wow. Is that kid trouble.

Run away Sally, run away! (Clearly this is just more fodder for when she ends up in the therapy.)

I really loved Roger cutting Pete off as he nearly asked Freddy whether he was sober.
Yes. I also loved how Freddy told them how he got the client without actually saying it out loud. But I was disappointed that Roger would then go out and have a couple with the guy. Freddy was clearly visibly upset after Roger got back. It's good to see that he is taking his sobriety seriously.

It's fun, what some of MM's advertisers are doing, going retro with their commercials.
Me too. I loved the Dole one because it was also making fun of the stereotype.
anatolealice
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:20 pm (UTC)
Just when you think that Glenn can't get any more creepy... he ups the ante. Wow. Is that kid trouble.

So creepy! Watching him I couldn't help thinking so this is what psycho stalker murderers are like when they are young.

But Bobby calling out "there's eggs in my bed!" did crack me up, no pun intended.
marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 02:09 pm (UTC)
I think she had hopes that something was going to change in there relationship. Instead she got $100. Poor thing probably feels like a prostitute.

Yeah, I have so many thoughts about this. I have to say, I really thought the whole money thing was heavy-handed. They have sex, he hands her money and a card with a simple thank you, so we're supposed to feel her shame at being paid after sex. But, clearly, Don had her bonus inside that card before they "slept" together.

Which brings up the second thing. What happened was that Don was wasted, made a pass, and she was happy to have sex on the couch. Nobody even took off any of their clothes (stockings ftw!) and it was over in about 15 minutes, if that. I do understand why she thought things might be slightly different, but did she think that constituted the beginning of an actual relationship?

Maybe the money just underscored her ambivalence about what she had done? Sex is complicated for women, and I can't imagine the mixed emotions of a woman in that era.

BTW, I'm not trying to absolve Don, because he's her boss and he shouldn't make a pass at her, much less have sex with her. But I get why he thought it was just sex and they should go back to their normal relationship. He was insensitive not to realize that handing her money was very weird at that moment in time, but I think he was actually trying to do something nice to fill the awkwardness.
amycurl
Aug. 6th, 2010 03:05 am (UTC)
What I found so intriguing about this was Don, yet again this season, forgetting his own playbook. Don doesn't sleep with his secretaries. It was so....common. It wasn't the Don Draper we knew. I agree that he knew it was awkward, but was trying to do the right thing after the fact, and, in a brilliant piece of acting by John, clearly the pain and understanding that he's hurt her is written all over his face at the end of the scene.

After the interview with the Times, we were lead to believe that that was the beginning of Don getting his groove back. Maybe this goes to show, that, like alcoholism, you have some good days and some bad days, and it's a constant struggle (esp. around the holidays.)
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marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 04:01 pm (UTC)
It's good to see that he is taking his sobriety seriously.

Yeah, not only did he immediately get his Ponds' client to a meeting, he skipped the Christmas party because that environment might lead him to drink. He seems to be doing really well.

So what do we think of Peggy's boyfriend? I'm not crazy about the relationship, especially because she feels she has to lie to him about her sexual history. He seems very transitional to me.
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 06:01 pm (UTC)
What made it all better:
Don: "Did you enjoy the Fuehrer's birthday?"
Roger: "May he live for a thousand years."

I loved that, Mary. Garner's clearly into overt demonstrations of who's really in charge. He was really making Roger -- then everybody else -- eat it with the Santa suit. Everyone in the office was aware that Garner could make anybody do whatever he wanted.

I loved Harry saying, "Sorry sorry sorry" as he sat on Roger's lap.
That was funny. I also enjoyed the moment before it. Not that anybody deserved to be humiliated like that, but VK did bring across Pete's mortification in an amusing manner.

It's fun, what some of MM's advertisers are doing, going retro with their commercials.
Me too. I loved the Dole one because it was also making fun of the stereotype.

One of our HITG moments of the evening: The handsome guy in the Dove ad was James Patrick Stuart of the late, great Andy Richter Controls the Universe. Before that, he was the guy on Seinfeld whom Elaine was dating that stopped in his tracks anytime Desperado by The Eagles was playing. I'm a little sad to see such a talented guy doing a commercial, but an actor's gotta work, right?
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 06:12 pm (UTC)
we're supposed to feel her shame at being paid after sex.
I disagree, Mary. (Respectfully, of course. :-) I see that moment this way: When you've got feelings for someone, when they sign your yearbook or send you a birthday card, you're really hoping for a special, personal inscription. (I'm sure we've all been there.) Instead, Allison gets a perfunctory note that Don could've written to anybody in the office. So she was crushed a second time by that.

But, clearly, Don had her bonus inside that card before they "slept" together.
Yes.

Don was wasted, made a pass, and she was happy to have sex on the couch ... I do understand why she thought things might be slightly different, but did she think that constituted the beginning of an actual relationship?
Yes, I think she did. I'm extrapolating a crush on the boss and "Oh, he has feelings for me!"

Maybe the money just underscored her ambivalence about what she had done?
Yes. Not that she was a prostitute.

BTW, I'm not trying to absolve Don, because he's her boss and he shouldn't make a pass at her, much less have sex with her. But I get why he thought it was just sex and they should go back to their normal relationship.
No, he shouldn't have made a pass at her. He was (obviously) speaking in code by thanking her only for the keys, not the sex.

And yes, the card-and-cash was a gesture of kindness. I just looked it up; $100 in 1964 is equal to $684.32 in 2009. Considering what she was probably making, that's a nice Christmas bonus.
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)
An actual Conga line! I wish I could go to that party.
How fabulous was that?! I loved that Joan was leading it. Of course Joan would be leading it.

Of course, Gatzy. That whole party was a Joan Holloway production. She even called "Places!" when Garner was on his way in. I loved the whole thing, especially seeing Roger, Pete and Trudy (Alison Brie! So happy to see her back in Trudy mode) in the conga line with Joan. It reminded me of the end of The Impostors.

Just when you think that Glenn can't get any more creepy... he ups the ante. Wow. Is that kid trouble.
Word, Gatz. And this is Sally's first semblance of a boyfriend. Yes, more fodder for therapy.
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 06:31 pm (UTC)
So what do we think of Peggy's boyfriend? I'm not crazy about the relationship, especially because she feels she has to lie to him about her sexual history. He seems very transitional to me.
I don't know that I'd blame him for Peggy's newfound virginity. That seems like Peggy reacting to society, or to whatever environment he's coming from.

She's had illicit sex with Pete and some kind of relationship with Duck that was apparently just sex (meeting in hotel rooms, no apparent dinner-and-a-movie). Claiming to be a virgin could be another tabula rasa thing for her, or a Draper-esque "I am whoever I say I am."

That eyes-wide look on Peggy's face after they've had sex, the look he can't see? She's upset about something. What do you guys think? Sadness that she's lied about her sexual past to someone she now has feelings for? Regret that she "gave her virginity" to a guy she doesn't really love because she doesn't want to be alone on New Year's Eve? All or none of the above?

I laughed out loud at Freddy's admonishment that she not lead him on, that to do so is physically painful to a guy. Right. :-)
amycurl
Aug. 6th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
I love how she never confirmed or denied his assumption about her virginity....for some reason, I think that's important that it wasn't that she was the one saying she was a virgin; he was, and she just didn't correct him.

Also--she's had a child, and the guy thinks she's still a virgin? How much experience has *he* had?

I saw the look on her face, too, and I think it reflects her deep ambivilance about the relationship. She sleeps with him rather than take Freddy's "old fashioned" advice...yeah, she still isn't making the best choices when it comes to men.
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gatsbyfan
Aug. 2nd, 2010 06:54 pm (UTC)
So what do we think of Peggy's boyfriend? I'm not crazy about the relationship, especially because she feels she has to lie to him about her sexual history. He seems very transitional to me.
I agree, Mary. I don't think he is going to be around for the long haul. Last week she was practically apologizing for him with Don. It was almost like she was embarrassed by him.

The thing is Peggy isn't like many women her age because of the level of her job. I would imagine it is difficult to find a man that would be okay with her work let alone find one that would be supportive. She needs someone strong enough in his masculinity and someone challenging. She keeps dating weak or flawed men. Men that she knows she can't have a future with.

That eyes-wide look on Peggy's face after they've had sex, the look he can't see? She's upset about something. What do you guys think?
To me it was that she was upset that she slept with him. He clearly isn't the one. It made me think that the sex was probably not great and that she's thinking why am I with this guy?

She needs someone challenging and that guy isn't going to challenge her. I wish I could remember what he said last week but it just made me think, really?! You are so much better than that guy.

It's a shame that Joey is so young. I imagine her with another creative person.
gatsbyfan
Aug. 2nd, 2010 06:59 pm (UTC)
The other thing that I thought was interesting is that you are starting to see more of the differences between the generations.

Joey's comment about Don being drunk and losing his keys: "He's pathetic". Peggy telling Freddy that he's old-fashioned.

Things are starting to change and Don and Roger aren't keeping up. Long term that doesn't spell growth at SCDP.
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 07:22 pm (UTC)
I would imagine it is difficult to find a man that would be okay with her work let alone find one that would be supportive. She needs someone strong enough in his masculinity and someone challenging. She keeps dating weak or flawed men. Men that she knows she can't have a future with.
Excellent points, Gatzy. I hadn't even thought of that.

There's a definite conflict between Peggy's status at SDCP -- a woman in a man's world, but one who's earned their respect -- and her status as a single woman in 1964, even in 1964 New York. She's a trailblazer at work, but she feels compelled to tell her boyfriend that she's a virgin. The more I think about it, the post-coital look on her face is probably all about that.

And now I've got Luscious Jackson running through my head: It takes a strong man to stand by a strong woman. Finding a man who fits that description is going to be a challenge for Peggy.
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 07:31 pm (UTC)
Joey's comment about Don being drunk and losing his keys: "He's pathetic". Peggy telling Freddy that he's old-fashioned.
Things are starting to change and Don and Roger aren't keeping up. Long term that doesn't spell growth at SCDP.


I noticed that too, Gatz. Joey doesn't idolize/envy Don the way Kenny, Paul or Harry did. He may, deep down, see him as old and in the way.

Speaking of Harry ... I loved Rich Sommer's whole bit with the cookies and shielding his quiz answers. You know, so no one could copy off of him.
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