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That week went way too fast. Here we are another Sunday night and a new episode of Mad Men.

Episode 2: Christmas Comes But Once a Year
A last minute visitor threatens to spoil the agency's Christmas party.

Something tells me this is going to be an interesting Christmas party. (How retro... we're actually calling it a Christmas party.)

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marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 08:15 pm (UTC)
When you've got feelings for someone, when they sign your yearbook or send you a birthday card, you're really hoping for a special, personal inscription.

Oh, see that's interesting. So do you think Allison had feelings for Don? I'm not disagreeing, I just never noticed anything going on there. It that's true, then I agree that the standard thank you text would definitely hurt her feelings.

There's also this other thing that happens with women, where they infer their own feelings. :) The way it works is this: the opportunity presents itself, she wants to have sex, so she has sex with him. Then, she decides that she's really in love with him. That makes the sex ok. In that case, she has built a relationship in her head (and might truly believe she's had feelings for him all along). In that case, the perfunctory message in the card would be upsetting.

I don't know that I'd blame him for Peggy's newfound virginity.

No, I certainly don't blame him! I blame him for constantly pressuring her for sex, but not for that. :) There are plenty of women having sex and plenty of men who know it. Peggy isn't dating a guy like that (Duck or Don, for example), she's dating this young guy. Maybe he expects a virgin, maybe she just wants to be in that kind of relationship, maybe she just wants to erase her past (as you suggest, Tom), and having a new "first time" is the way to do that. Whatever the reason is, she's not honest with him and that's bad.

To me it was that she was upset that she slept with him. He clearly isn't the one. It made me think that the sex was probably not great and that she's thinking why am I with this guy? ...She needs someone challenging and that guy isn't going to challenge her.

Absolutely, I agree with all that. She needs a more experienced guy or a more liberal/intellectual guy.

It's a shame that Joey is so young. I imagine her with another creative person.

A thousand times yes, that boy is adorable. Maybe Peggy should start considering her cute underlings one of the perks of the job, like the men do.
marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 08:21 pm (UTC)
Things are starting to change and Don and Roger aren't keeping up. Long term that doesn't spell growth at SCDP.

I think it was in the Sunday Sun-Times...in the Money section? Somebody wrote a piece on what SCDP are doing right (bold moves, bold campaigns) and wrong (Lucky Strike, lack of diversity among the creatives). This supports one of their points. I'll see if I can find the article.

ETA: Here it is..
http://www.suntimes.com/business/2554772,mad-men-business-lessons-080110.article

Edited at 2010-08-02 08:26 pm (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 08:31 pm (UTC)
The way it works is this: the opportunity presents itself, she wants to have sex, so she has sex with him. Then, she decides that she's really in love with him. That makes the sex ok. In that case, she has built a relationship in her head (and might truly believe she's had feelings for him all along).
This is actually closer to what I was thinking, Mary.

I didn't see any indication of Allison having pre-sex feelings for Don. Honestly, I was shocked to find out the actress has been in 20 episodes.* (Remember how you said Brotherhood was filled with doughy, balding Irish guys, difficult to tell apart? The secretarial pools at both MM agencies seem largely filled with anonymous brunettes.)

But clearly, she thought that there had been a substantial change in their relationship. She asks "Do you want me to close the door?" in a way that suggests "You know, if you want to talk about us." Then he tells her, indirectly, that it was just sex, and finds that there's no consolation in the inscription on the card.

What you're describing sounds like retroactive feeling for someone. When, at the time Don wrote the note in the card, not only did Don not have a second thought toward Allison, Allison probably wasn't even thinking of Don in those terms. It's all strictly professional, boss and secretary, right up to the moment Don makes a pass at her.

*And a TWW. She was Leo's Intern in "365 Days." Not that I remember her there, either.
flippet
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)
I didn't see any indication of Allison having pre-sex feelings for Don.

Ah, but you're forgetting about the moment early in the ep where he asks her to read Sally's letter.

There were all kinds of things amiss about that - things Don should have seen miles away. Having your not-nearly-as-aloof-as-she-should-be (and certainly not as aloof/discreet as Joan) secretary read, out loud to you the obvious 'here's what I want, Daddy' letter from the child whose mother you recently divorced.....you don't think that's going to manufacture a little intimacy that perhaps you hadn't bargained for? And the way she choked up about it - she's obviously considered Don's situation. She's much more 'feeling', for Don, than she should be. (There are other small, subtle hints over the past couple of seasons, can't think what, though.) It doesn't surprise me at all that she would have certain feelings for him, perhaps some that even she didn't realize/think were there - until Don blew on the kindling.

Edited at 2010-08-02 10:09 pm (UTC)
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:45 pm (UTC)
I didn't forget that moment. I watched the episode late this morning. ;-)

Flip, I don't dispute a level of intimacy in that moment. I guess I just don't see that moment as more than "work friends."

perhaps some that even she didn't realize/think were there - until Don blew on the kindling.
More of that feeling inference Mary described. :-)
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tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 08:33 pm (UTC)
she's dating this young guy. Maybe he expects a virgin, maybe she just wants to be in that kind of relationship, maybe she just wants to erase her past (as you suggest, Tom), and having a new "first time" is the way to do that.
Like those "born-again virgins" I hear about. ;-)

Whatever the reason is, she's not honest with him and that's bad.
Exactly. And I think she's realizing it there in that post-coital moment.

Maybe Peggy should start considering her cute underlings one of the perks of the job, like the men do.
Spoils of war, when in Rome, etc. ;-)
flippet
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:23 pm (UTC)
Hello! I got in earlier this week, yay!


Okay - I thought for sure I wouldn't be the only one here, but....does no one else see the parallels and connections between Peggy's situation and Don's?

I got this feeling last week, and it was so much stronger this week. (And while I had coherent thoughts about it, typing them out will be trickier, so bear with me.)

There's something between Peggy and Don. Sort of.

They do have a connection through knowing each other's secrets. But they also get each other to a large degree, and feel free to call each other on stuff in a way that's more free and open than their relationship might suggest to outsiders.

Peggy's changed around Don, just ever so slightly. Her boy (Mark?) said he was her fiance, and she felt compelled to tell Don that it wasn't true. She told him 'we're all here because of you', and I'm sure there were many levels to that statement. She brightened considerably when she came upon Don (and the others) at the Christmas party.

Now. I'm not saying that Peggy has a thing for Don. I don't think that's exactly true. Nor is the reverse true - not really.

But I think that Peggy knows that Mark's not right for her, but she hasn't put her finger on why. And Don's why. Perhaps not Don himself - not exactly. Don by virtue of fate, perhaps. Meaning - this is someone who, partially because of accidental circumstances, knows her. Someone she can be herself with, more than with most others, at any rate. Someone who, on many levels, respects her and treats her - 'as an equal' isn't quite right, but perhaps you get my gist. And it's not that she's in love with Don, except that there are many qualities to their interactions that she wants/needs/deserves.

And I would say vice versa, to some degree.

So - not shipping them, no no, but I just thought I'd point that out and ask if anyone else was seeing what I was seeing.
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:56 pm (UTC)
Not just you, Flip. There's a special bond between Peggy and Don, different from the bond between Joan and Don.

Besides being the keepers of each other's secrets, they're kindred spirits: Each of them invented who they are. While Peggy doesn't know the whole Don back story, Don recognizes Peggy created the Peggy that, had he she turned down a job with a news agency, he would spend the rest of his life trying to hire.
anatolealice
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
That eyes-wide look on Peggy's face after they've had sex, the look he can't see? She's upset about something. What do you guys think?
To me it was that she was upset that she slept with him. He clearly isn't the one. It made me think that the sex was probably not great and that she's thinking why am I with this guy?


I agree with Gatzy. I think the sex sucked and she knows she's doomed because he's always going to see himself as the exerpienced one. And she can't say anything. He's the kind of guy who would freak if he thought she wasn't the innocent virgin he'd expected, no matter how much he pushed her.

The secretarial pools at both MM agencies seem largely filled with anonymous brunettes.)

It took me awhile to recognise her. I figured that they just hired an entirely new secretarial staff, that Joan was the only admin person to move accross. That adds an extra element to her relatioship with Don, one of them must have sought the other out for them still to be working together. Wasn't she standing looking gutted when those left behind realised what had happened?
tomfoolery815
Aug. 2nd, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)
Anabelle, I like your theory that the sex was bad. Either mechanically or emotionally.

That adds an extra element to her relatioship with Don, one of them must have sought the other out for them still to be working together.
Right! Evidently.

Wasn't she standing looking gutted when those left behind realised what had happened?
I have to go back and look now, but she must have, since Peggy and Joan were the only women to make the initial jump.

I think she replaced Jane as Don's secretary. Which would give further credence to the theory that there were beyond-the-norm feelings on Allison's part.
marymary
Aug. 2nd, 2010 11:14 pm (UTC)
the (presumed) resignation letter.

Do scenes from upcoming episodes count as spoilers? If so, I'll shut up.

flippy, you make some great points about Peggy/Don. I didn't think about that. In fact, I hadn't thought about Peggy denying the "fiance" in that way.

They've always had some kind of...energy between them. Don is really a focal point of her life. Plus this:

Besides being the keepers of each other's secrets, they're kindred spirits: Each of them invented who they are. While Peggy doesn't know the whole Don back story, Don recognizes Peggy created the Peggy that, had he she turned down a job with a news agency, he would spend the rest of his life trying to hire.

I agree.

Edited at 2010-08-02 11:20 pm (UTC)
flippet
Aug. 2nd, 2010 11:21 pm (UTC)
Do scenes from upcoming episodes count as spoilers? If so, I'll shut up.

Yes and no....I don't get those (or the fun retro ads, boo) since I watch on iTunes.

I wish I had AMC....iTunes gives me fits - it tends to stall out even if it's the only thing running. Facebook had a link to last week's ep (on the AMC website, I thought, could be wrong), and even watching streaming was higher quality (if a smaller picture) than iTunes.

Blergh.

All that to say - don't worry about 'spoiling' - it's not that I'm trying to avoid it, I just don't have opportunity.
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tomfoolery815
Aug. 3rd, 2010 04:24 am (UTC)
I tend not to post messages to the famous people I follow on Twitter, but I took a chance and tweeted to Rich Sommer that I loved his portrayal of Harry in the conference room. He thanked me. :-)
flippet
Aug. 3rd, 2010 12:05 pm (UTC)
Aw, yay! That's always fun. :-)

And he was really great in that scene. You know, he's really always perfection - it's just sometimes so understated among the rest of those guys.
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tomfoolery815
Aug. 4th, 2010 04:35 pm (UTC)
An article about the retro commercials. Apparently they were directed by Tim Matheson, who's doing quite a bit of that these days:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/business/media/04adco.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper
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